Fiz/Cyberjag

[Skew]

Delhomme

Enjoy your break.

Proves my point. The Best QB Hurney has brought in during his time with the Panthers is Delhomme.

That's a very sad statement, and a very weak bullet point on his QB evaluation resume.

[Kurb]

Hurney brought in the players he was told to bring in.

He didn't control who was drafted nearly as much as Fox did (IMO).

Fox loves Jake like a damn son, of course he wasn't going to draft an early QB. I full believe his ass would be QB this season as well if it had been up to Fox.

You nailed the WR issue, but I wonder how much that falls into drafting priority as well.

[Cyberjag]

Proves my point. The Best QB Hurney has brought in during his time with the Panthers is Delhomme.

That's a very sad statement, and a very weak bullet point on his QB evaluation resume.

Who should he have brought in, and when? I trust you're smart enough to refrain from the "He passed on Brady" type arguments.

[Skew]

Who should he have brought in, and when? I trust you're smart enough to refrain from the "He passed on Brady" type arguments.

Don't try the "He also passed on Brady" routine. That wasn't the only year he was GM.

[Fiz]

Don't try the "He also passed on Brady" routine. That wasn't the only year he was GM.

don't dodge the question.

[Cyberjag]

Come on Skew, give us some names.

[Carl Spackler]

Marques Tuiasasopo

[The Saltman]

[panthers55]

From 2003 through 2006 We really didn't need another quarterback. Jake was perfect for our offense and we went to two NFC championships and a Super Bowl. At the ned of 2006 when Jake had some issues in an 8-8 season, Hurney did try and bring in Carr which many folks on this site lauded as a great move. I was not one of them. It was awful in 2007 when jake went down but even then he brought in Testeverde who was the best of who was left and they had already had Moore. Up until this year Moore was considered a find at 6-2 as a starter. Obviously we rolled the dice with Jake again in 2008 and until the playoff blowup were sitting at 12-4 and were favorites to win the NFC. And we all know about last year and this.

BUt if Clausen or Pike are the one and while it is too early to call it, early returns are ugly, then he will have actually done better than a lot of franchises over the past 8 years with a few really bad hiccups along the way. He has certainly tried to bring in the right guys but obviously it isn't as easy as many folks think. There are a lot of teams who have really struggled finding their franchise guy. Look at Chicago and what they gave up for Cutler who was a sure thing. How did that work out so far?? What about places like San Fran, Denver, etc. Even Miami just benched Henne in favor of Pennington this week so that situation is more unsettled.

We have had no high first round picks since 2002 so it isn't like we could pluck a guy like Atlanta did Ryan. If we do get a chance in this draft(and it looks like we might) to get a top notch guy, lets see if Hurney pulls the trigger or sticks with Clausen. We should have a better handle on that after 8 games.

[Skew]

don't dodge the question.

Do you mean to say that I am doing the same thing you cyborg are doing regarding my question?

Come on Skew, give us some names.

Okay, you convinced me. There is absolutely no one that was better than ANY of the QBs Hurney brought to Carolina.

[Cyberjag]

Okay, you convinced me. There is absolutely no one that was better than ANY of the QBs Hurney brought to Carolina.

A couple of draft picks (Rodgers, Flacco) that a lot of people whiffed on, a few WCO guys (Garcia, etc.), and a free agent who wasn't going to come here anyway (Brees). The rest are the Harringtons, Carrs, and McCowns of the NFL.

It's really hard to get a great QB without a very high draft pick.

[Skew]

It's really hard to get a great QB when your talent for evaluating QBs isn't worth a poo..

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[Cyberjag]

dodged

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[Skew]

Hurney brought in the players he was told to bring in.

He didn't control who was drafted nearly as much as Fox did (IMO).

Fox loves Jake like a damn son, of course he wasn't going to draft an early QB. I full believe his ass would be QB this season as well if it had been up to Fox.

You nailed the WR issue, but I wonder how much that falls into drafting priority as well.

If that's the case, then Fox and Hurney together can't evaluate QB or WR talent. Which is just more of a reason to say that if Fox goes, Hurney needs to as well.

I have no complaints when it comes to their ability to evaluate talent at all other positions. I think they both have done an excellent job in that sense. But as for QB & WR, they both suck, and the talent level we have had at those positions has been hurting us ever since the both of them arrived here in Carolina. The two of them have done nothing to improve these positions. Abet, Delomme was a slight improvement, but that being the pinnacle is truly sad.