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Hurney shouldn't be fired for two main reasons

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I'm not saying they were good decisions. I'm saying that if you measure him solely by those decisions, it's not fair. Overall, he's done a great job. So what if he makes the occasional mistake. Doesn't the occasional great pick balance that out?

And it's funny that in the same post you inadvertently admit to his skill at finding rare talent when you bring in Kalil and Beason. :)

Rare talent? Beason was a mid 1st round pick, he better be damned good, we were extremely fortunate Kalil fell to us in the 2nd round.

As I said reaching for talent and spending future picks is a bad idea. If you have those Firsts and Seconds in your pocket (which we should have) then finding those rare talent players is much easier.

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Those rotational guys are playing on a 5th ranked passing defense (we should have added a couple DTs I guess). Our defense is ranked 11, which is astounding given the lopsided TOP they've had to deal with.

lol teams aren't lighting it up against us through the pass because they don't have to. They're playing ball control against us. We're 25th against the run and rank third in called run plays against our defense. We're ranked 21st in called passing plays against our defense in contrast barely above the lower third of the league.

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Hurney gave Delhomme an extension and should go!

He turned you into a newt too, didn't he?

Fire a guy based on one decision that you can't definitively say was his call Seriously?

The Delhomme extension was necassary, not based on his performance but because Julius Peppers had us so ass fugged by not signing his Franchise contract we were completely shackled. Mismanagement of the Peppers debacle forced the only logical move available to the Panthers to grab some Cap Space they desperately needed, redo Jake's contract.

The Delhomme extension was the symptom, Peppers/Hurmey was the sickness.

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Rare talent? Beason was a mid 1st round pick, he better be damned good, we were extremely fortunate Kalil fell to us in the 2nd round.

As I said reaching for talent and spending future picks is a bad idea. If you have those Firsts and Seconds in your pocket (which we should have) then finding those rare talent players is much easier.

I can agree that it's easier, but it's still not easy overall. And Hardy looks like a rare talent already, he was selected very late.

For what it's worth, Beason was taken 25th. Since Hurney started drafting, here are the 25th selections:

2002, Charles Grant

2003, William Joseph

2004, Ahmad Carroll

2005, Jason Campbell

2006, Santonio Holmes

2007, Jon Beason

2008, Mike Jenkins

2009, Vonte Davis

2010, The Golden Calf of Bristol

Which one do you want to trade Beason for? Because by your logic, they should all be stars.

lol teams aren't lighting it up against us through the pass because they don't have to. They're playing ball control against us. We're 25th against the run and rank third in called run plays against our defense. We're ranked 21st in called passing plays against our defense in contrast barely above the lower third of the league.

That's why I threw in the fact that we're 11th. And we got rid of our two starters at DT for the past several years and lost our best defensive player, who was on the line. Yet, we're 11th overall despite a lopsided time of possession, and great against the pass. We were great against the pass with similar personnel in the secondary last year too.

Why is it so hard for you to admit that we have talent on the defensive side of the ball?

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I'm thinking that Hurney is gone after this season by his choice. IMO he stayed to help Fox, as his friend, make it emotionally through the season.

Understandable, but the evidence is to the contrary.

Pat Yasinskas had called Fox and Hurney "a package deal" a few years back. Steve Reed says that's no longer true.

Likewise, Gantt believes Hurney stays but Fox goes based on their respective relationships with Jerry Richardson.

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I really don't think that is true... the Delhomme issue would not have cost most GMs their job at all. I don't even think that the delhomme issue, the peppers issue, and the draft trades would, because he has a pretty decent draft record...

who do you have in mind that was fired with similar records?

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Not saying we should get rid of Hurney but one bad decision can get you fired.

I think we should stick with Hurney but I also feel that on most teams he would be looking for a job with Fox.

For that, it has to be a decision that handicaps the team for several years. There also has to be a body of bad work and little or no redeeming history. Those factors don't apply here.

It may have been a bad idea, but it wasn't the Herschel Walker trade.

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Just curious....

What GM out there has done a better job drafting over the past five years than Hurney? I'm making it easy on you guys, because most of them haven't been good enough to hang on longer than that.

How many GMs have given away two 1st, two 2nds and a 4th for a 19th, 43rd and 89th pick?

(See, it's easy to play this game.)

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