Hurney shouldn't be fired for two main reasons

[Baschski]

Lol the only real criticisms of Hurney anyone on this board can provide are "Omg Everette Brown suckz" and "Omg Armanti suckz." Sorry, haters. Two questionable draft moves do not make the man a bad GM. Like I said earlier, the good overwhelmingly outweighs the bad.

[fitty76]

Lol the only real criticisms of Hurney anyone on this board can provide are "Omg Everette Brown suckz" and "Omg Armanti suckz." Sorry, haters. Two questionable draft moves do not make the man a bad GM. Like I said earlier, the good overwhelmingly outweighs the bad.

Really? We've only brought up TWO bad (not questionable) draft move? That's all? You better read this forum a little more.

[Baschski]

Really? We've only brought up TWO bad (not questionable) draft move? That's all? You better read this forum a little more.

Saying "We drafted Dwayne Jarrett and he didn't turn out well" is not a legitimate criticism of Hurney. Jarrett was dirty in college and we didn't overdraft him. Maybe it's the WR's coach's fault for not developing him? Maybe it's Fox's fault for not giving him enough chances? Maybe it's DJ's own fault for not working hard enough. I'll say it again...the good moves/picks are much more numerous than the bad ones.

[fitty76]

Saying "We drafted Dwayne Jarrett and he didn't turn out well" is not a legitimate criticism of Hurney. Jarrett was dirty in college and we didn't overdraft him. Maybe it's the WR's coach's fault for not developing him? Maybe it's Fox's fault for not giving him enough chances? Maybe it's DJ's own fault for not working hard enough. I'll say it again...the good moves/picks are much more numerous than the bad ones.

You obviously have some kind of relationship with Marty Hurney. No Panther fan can be this blind.

[Cyberjag]

Jeez, we FT'd him after the 2008 season for 2009.

If Hurney had done what he should have he'd have pulled the FT contract off the table when Peppers wouldn't sign in a timeline that was beneficial to us, or not FT'd Pep at all as he did last year after the 2009 season for the year 2010. The only time Peppers was under our control to trade him was during the 2008 season in the last year of his contract. Hurney blew that window, even though Peppers had already refuseed to sign an extension after the 2007 season. Again, making a move as the Patriots did with Richard Seymour or pulling the FT contract once Peppers would not sign it in a timeline that was advantageous to the Panthers would have been the correct moves. Very simple.

Your hindsight is amazing.

By your logic, no one should ever let a player get into a contract year. If they don't renew the year before their contract is up, they should be traded. Do I have it right?

[Baschski]

You obviously have some kind of relationship with Marty Hurney. No Panther fan can be this blind.

Williams, Beason, Stewart, Otah, Kalil, Godfrey, Martin, Johnson, Fiammetta, Marshall, Munnerlyn, Goodson, Anderson, Connor, Davis, Hardy, Gettis, Lafell.

Yep, I recognize that Hurney is responsible for all of this talent and therefore I must have a "relationship" with him. Mature.

[Cyberjag]

You obviously have some kind of relationship with Marty Hurney. No Panther fan can be this blind.

Go ahead and re-hash the other criticisms then.

Let's see... There's the whole Peppers won't sign with us fiasco. That's Hurney's fault how?

You have the Jake contract extension. That bought us cap room and never hurt the TEAM, just JR's pocketbook (and he didn't seem to mind--the man fired his kids, think he would stand for a bad GM?)

You have the free agent they didn't sign. You now, that one--the guy who would have made us contenders. Oh yeah, and the trade that should have been made but wasn't.

What else are we missing?

[fitty76]

Williams, Beason, Stewart, Otah, Kalil, Godfrey, Martin, Johnson, Fiammetta, Marshall, Munnerlyn, Goodson, Anderson, Connor, Davis, Hardy, Gettis, Lafell.

All responsible for a 2-14 season. Oh except for Otah because he's spent the 2nd year in a row injured!

[Kevin Greene]

Your hindsight is amazing.

By your logic, no one should ever let a player get into a contract year. If they don't renew the year before their contract is up, they should be traded. Do I have it right?

Neener, neener, no you'd be wrong. Back and forth.

No player, minus Peyton Manning in his prime is worth $17 million dollars for one year. Especially a sometimes motivated Defensive End.

I can't explain it to you any more simply.

FT Gross at 7.45 million yes.

FT Peppers at 17 million no.

I'm done.

[fitty76]

Go ahead and re-hash the other criticisms then.

Let's see... There's the whole Peppers won't sign with us fiasco. That's Hurney's fault how?

You have the Jake contract extension. That bought us cap room and never hurt the TEAM, just JR's pocketbook (and he didn't seem to mind--the man fired his kids, think he would stand for a bad GM?)

You have the free agent they didn't sign. You now, that one--the guy who would have made us contenders. Oh yeah, and the trade that should have been made but wasn't.

What else are we missing?

The endless list of bad draft choices?

[Baschski]

All responsible for a 2-14 season. Oh except for Otah because he's spent the 2nd year in a row injured!

You're right. It couldn't possibly have been the lame duck coaching, the purging of veterans or perhaps the refusal by the ownership to address needs in free agency. It also must be Hurney's fault that Otah is injured, right?

The endless list of bad draft choices?

Please show me this mythical list.

[AceMan]

Tell us how that contract extension ruined that season. He would have played with or without that extension. Without that extension, we wouldn't have been able to sign our rookies, but that doesn't bother you. Cause you are to damn ignorant to know 2 plus 2 equals 4. Posts like yours are why there isn't much to talk about. You'd rather talk out your ass until you're dead, than admit the truth.

Post like mine is the truth. It's people like you with blinders on that think everything is alright in Panther land and there is a rainbow just on the other side of the mountain. A sad trend with us in Panther land is that we cannot see the "writing on the wall". I bet you're one of the guys that was shocked Delhomme played as bad as he did in 2009. Ha!

The bolded is your opinion. My opinion is that Delhomme would not have started as long as he did had he not received that extension and named the bonafide starter for 2009. Of course, Fox has alot of blame for that as well. Delhomme didn't even deserve that contract. The sheer fact he got it was BS.

...There isn't much of an argument for your case. You can either agree with me on the extension or admit it's Hurney's fault for us putting us in a position to make a desperation "cap-relief" move like that in the 1st place. All you can really say is it's not as bad as I proclaim it to be. Here is the whole argument in a nutshell.

Your only possible replies:

1.) We got to sign our rookies because of the 3 million in cap we saved.

2.) Lost cap to cut Delhomme didn't hurt because it was a cap-free season

1.) doesn't mean anything. A team struggling to sign drafted rookies should let you know how bad our cap situation was. I'm glad that we were able to sign our rookies, but extending Delhomme was stupid in order to do it. The main point is that Hurney is to blame. You can't be a cap guru in such a horrible cap situation.

Now to 2.), tell me how we used our cap this past offseason since...like Cyberjag stated...

The owner paid out 10 million (with an M) extra, and it gave the Panthers freedom to sign other players.

And with that freedom, what did we do? After paying a guy over 10 mil to NOT be on the team, (Only hurt JR, remember ) what did we do? JR recouped much of that money back by cutting vets and etc. So how the hell is 2.) a bonus or positive? After you get pass that, you have to look at the fact that we had to cut a guy, who we gave an extension to just a year ago, to get rid of him!

So your only true argument is to hammer the "We signed our rookies" point down. But then you have to ask yourself, what kind of fan is stating "We got to sign our draft players, our G.M. is a peakin' genius!"

P.S. - Develop some better insults...

I wish society wouldn't continue to protect the weak and ignorant. If you were in the plains of africa, you wouldn't even had made it to the age to procreate.

C'mon...thats lame

The owner paid out 10 million (with an M) extra, and it gave the Panthers freedom to sign other players. At NFL Payroll levels, that's almost a rounding error when you're in an uncapped year.

And if JR minded, why didn't he boot Hurney instead of, or with Fox? The bottom line is that it was nifty Salary Cap work. You don't like the details, and that's fine. But it was a creative solution to a complex problem.

We don't know if Hurney will still be here...

I look at it as risky Cap work. Hurney has been taking too many risks lately that has blown up in our faces. I don't think he is awful or bad...but I do believe it's time to let him go.

[beastson]

I think Hurney is staying...no way JR gets rid of his puppet

If Jerry smart enough he would know how to drop the blame off him some

[fitty76]

You're right. It couldn't possibly have been the lame duck coaching, the purging of veterans or perhaps the refusal by the ownership to address needs in free agency. It also must be Hurney's fault that Otah is injured, right?

Please show me this mythical list.

Just because guys are starting and not on the sidelines doesn't mean they are great draft picks. Did you ever think most of those guys are out there by default?