Ryne Robinson

[Ncstatefan]

I prefer Ryne but it'll be an uphill battle at TC with how well Jones played this year

[Ashor]

Smith had a punt return for a touchdown in that horrible 2005 NFCCG against Seattle.

Point stands though. This season has been the first one in years where we've had anything resembling good punt/kickoff returns.

I didn't count playoffs or pre-season or I would've mentioned DeAngelo's pre-season kick return.

[bleys]

I want to see what Robinson can do as a receiver.

I know some will disagree with me, but I like Mark Jones a lot. Jones was steady and reliable and I'll take that over flashy and scary any day. I'm not saying that Robinson is scary, and I liked what he did on returns the little I saw him play, but Jones was solid this year and really elevated our ST's over what they had been.

Morons will disagree with you.

Sorry if I offend anyone with that statement. We have went from the WORST at punt returns and kick offs to having a guy who is 6th in avg yards per attempt at punt returns and 2nd in total yards..

People who want Robinson are looking for someone to hit a home run, when you fail to realize you don't hit home runs every game. You're talking about 1 or 2 times in a season. Any more than that and you're talking Devon Hester status. (Which is great, and possible)

But you're talking about a player who was a rookie, and then sat his entire 2nd year. Do you really think he's going to beat Mark Jones' stats next year? If so, give me whatever you're smoking.. It must be good.

This isn't Madden. You don't just plug someone in who has "ratings" and carry on as if chemistry and knowledge comes included.

I fail to see Robinson starting over Mark Jones. But if he does, I'll eat crow.. . (or admit our coaching staff has joined you all in smoking crack... which is totally possible)

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Robinson start and blow up like he potentially could. But the reality of that happening? Very slim, if at all.

You want to see a guy hit a home run Once or Twice in a season, when you're forgetting the other 3282013 punt returns he would take...

[OneBadassCat]

It all depends on how Robinson rehabbed that injury he had. He's got the speed to provide a spark on KR and I think he could be a decent WR for us. But I can't say as of right now I would take him over Jones for KR. Jones has given us consistent numbers. He lacks the elite speed to break away but he has been a savior on ST for us this year. I just think this team could use another spark, someone who's dangerous. Jones isn't dangerous but he is consistently good which is always a plus.

[Fiz]

choo choo

[1789Cardiac Cats9020]

Mark Jones sees the holes very well, very instinctive, and sets up his blocks nicely.

So what's wrong? well, I quite honestly think he might be slower than every kicker in the NFL

[ShutDwn]

He is more opportunistic than anything, and by that I mean he took advantage of shitty coverage once in a while, mostly against the Packers where he padded all his stats. He did nothing any other decent return man couldn't do.

The only thing I would like to see is the knowledge of when to fair catch or let it bounce.

Explosive is not a word for our return units.

If we are going to have a roster spot for a player that is just a return man, he better be scoring some points and forcing the other team to kick away from him. No team is scared of Jones. Robinson has wide receiver potential and breakaway speed.

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We've got the greatest kick/punt returner in the history of football on our team and won't use him. JMO

Smith? It's not worth losing him in the passing game if he gets hurt on a stupid punt return. And it just adds more wear-and-tear on his tires.

[Fiz]

So what's wrong? well, I quite honestly think he might be slower than every kicker in the NFL

that's putting it nicely

[bleys]

He is more opportunistic than anything, and by that I mean he took advantage of sh*tty coverage once in a while, mostly against the Packers where he padded all his stats. He did nothing any other decent return man couldn't do.

The only thing I would like to see is the knowledge of when to fair catch or let it bounce.

Explosive is not a word for our return units.

If we are going to have a roster spot for a player that is just a return man, he better be scoring some points and forcing the other team to kick away from him. No team is scared of Jones. Robinson has wide receiver potential and breakaway speed.

So I guess I need to ask,

1) in the last 382032 years, who has met these standards in the Panthers organization?

2) And of all 32 teams in the NFL, how many of those teams have a player to fulfill such easy requirements that you desire?

I can answer that for you... (just in case you need help)

1) It's been well over Fox's tenure...

2) Let's see... We have Reggie Bush... Devin Hester... Roscoe Parrish (perhaps?)

Let me provide you with some sound stats that occured this year. Perhaps you can enlighten me on how this is false information...

Mark Jones (11.4 avg/return) outperformed these players in the NFL season of 2008...

(all well over 30 attempts)

Darren Sproles, SD 11.3

Will Blackmon, GB 11.1

Davone Bess, Mia 11.0

Leon Washington, NYJ 10.4

Chris Carr, Ten 10.1

Domenik Hixon, NYG 10.1

Wes Welker, NE 9.9

Justin Forsett, Sea 9.7

DeSean Jackson, Phi 8.8

Joshua Cribbs, Cle 8.1

Steve Breaston, Ari 7.2

Santonio Holmes, Pit 6.6

Antwaan Randle El, Was 6.5

Devin Hester, Chi 6.2

But you're basis is due to Robinson hitting that homerun, right? Out running the player? His explosiveness...

Out of all these players that Mark Jones out performed, the only player with 2 TD's on punt returns was Will Blackmon of Green Bay. The ONLY other player to score was DeSean Jackson of Philly (with 1 TD). Of all these names and of all their "explosiveness", noone else scored a TD.

There are only 6 other names above Mark Jones who had a better yard per average. The most TD's scored were 3 on punt returns.

So yeah, you're exactly right. We must expect a sh*t load of TD's from whoever is back there receiving punts. It's just sad that no other team and returner can perform such easy, simple standards that you expect.

[tarheelpride]

Mark Jones sees the holes very well, very instinctive, and sets up his blocks nicely.

So what's wrong? well, I quite honestly think he might be slower than every kicker in the NFL

speaks to his experience. he's been in the league longer than robinson so that somewhat tells me it comes with experience. i think it should go to training camp. the advantage robinson has is being a decent slot wr/4th option. jones is a better return man.

we shall see

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

choo choo

That's right, get on the crazy train.

Mark Jones was one of our most consistent and game changing performer this season. We started many of a drive at mid-field. Ryne had so many 5 yard returns and played with a little fear on the reception which Jones did not. Jones was due for a couple of tds but they did not happen. He was one less worry on a much improved special teams.

[bleys]

That's right, get on the crazy train.

Mark Jones was one of our most consistent and game changing performer this season. We started many of a drive at mid-field. Ryne had so many 5 yard returns and played with a little fear on the reception which Jones did not. Jones was due for a couple of tds but they did not happen. He was one less worry on a much improved special teams.

Amen... So you must have been one of few who actually A) watched the Panthers play on gameday or realize what they were seeing.

The dude stepped our ST's up in a big way.

I don't mind putting Robinson in a few times to see if he catches on, but to get rid of Mark Jones for Robinson is ludicrous...

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

So I guess I need to ask,

1) in the last 382032 years, who has met these standards in the Panthers organization?

2) And of all 32 teams in the NFL, how many of those teams have a player to fulfill such easy requirements that you desire?

I can answer that for you... (just in case you need help)

1) It's been well over Fox's tenure...

2) Let's see... We have Reggie Bush... Devin Hester... Roscoe Parrish (perhaps?)

Let me provide you with some sound stats that occured this year. Perhaps you can enlighten me on how this is false information...

Mark Jones (11.4 avg/return) outperformed these players in the NFL season of 2008...

(all well over 30 attempts)

Darren Sproles, SD 11.3

Will Blackmon, GB 11.1

Davone Bess, Mia 11.0

Leon Washington, NYJ 10.4

Chris Carr, Ten 10.1

Domenik Hixon, NYG 10.1

Wes Welker, NE 9.9

Justin Forsett, Sea 9.7

DeSean Jackson, Phi 8.8

Joshua Cribbs, Cle 8.1

Steve Breaston, Ari 7.2

Santonio Holmes, Pit 6.6

Antwaan Randle El, Was 6.5

Devin Hester, Chi 6.2

But you're basis is due to Robinson hitting that homerun, right? Out running the player? His explosiveness...

Out of all these players that Mark Jones out performed, the only player with 2 TD's on punt returns was Will Blackmon of Green Bay. The ONLY other player to score was DeSean Jackson of Philly (with 1 TD). Of all these names and of all their "explosiveness", noone else scored a TD.

There are only 6 other names above Mark Jones who had a better yard per average. The most TD's scored were 3 on punt returns.

So yeah, you're exactly right. We must expect a sh*t load of TD's from whoever is back there receiving punts. It's just sad that no other team and returner can perform such easy, simple standards that you expect.

Whoooaahhh!!! What research......a huddle rarity. Much props to this post. I hate that I read ahead before I saw this thing....

I like it when some can close a whole thread of arguments and Madden delusions with facts. .........however facts never stand in the way of a good thread where 10 year olds want 12 tds a season from our returner.