Manning vs. Vick

[Dpantherman]

Collie's eyes were open and i saw him move a few times. looks like he could end up ok. hope so

[Proudiddy]

But again, as they showed, he caught it, put both feet down and lowered his head. What if he used his helmet and knocked the defender down. When the defender went in to hit him, Collie dropped his pad level and put his head there. The defender didn't lead with his helmet either, it was shoulder first.

[Darth Biscuit]

You wanna see players start getting really hurt, wait until they start trying hard to avoid this stuff, it's gonna be rough. They may cut down on the concussions, but other injuries are going to increase, plus the games are gonna suck.

[Matt Foley]

But again, as they showed, he caught it, put both feet down and lowered his head. What if he used his helmet and knocked the defender down. When the defender went in to hit him, Collie dropped his pad level and put his head there. The defender didn't lead with his helmet either, it was shoulder first.

They could have just called the same thing on the Colts defender.

[Proudiddy]

They could have just called the same thing on the Colts defender.

I was thinking the same thing... Refs seem to be pulling for the Colts in this one.

Also, LOL @ Phil Simms talking about Peyton Hillis: "It looked like watching ... (pause) ... one of those big old RBs from the 40s just running through everyone."

Why the 40s?

Because he's white. lol

[Dpantherman]

I was thinking the same thing... Refs seem to be pulling for the Colts in this one.

Also, LOL @ Phil Simms talking about Peyton Hillis: "It looked like watching ... (pause) ... one of those big old RBs from the 40s just running through everyone."

Why the 40s?

Because he's white. lol

thats exactly what I got from it

[Dpantherman]

so because his second foot didn't hit its illegal? i give up. the NFL needs to look at this, I still don't agree with the call.

[Dpantherman]

on a side note, Im kicking Smitty is Our Savior's ass in fantasy right now...118-47 and counting

[Darth Biscuit]

All the CBS guys, including Sharpe agree that technically this was helmet-to-helmet, a penalty was questionable, but Coleman should not be fined. Sharpe even explained that as a receiver, that shouldn't even be a penalty... I agree.

They said that league office is saying the problem lies in that he didn't have the second foot down... that's really ticky-tacky IMO. So if his foot was 2" lower it would have changed that play? Stupid.

[Proudiddy]

But, when Shannon Sharpe says it wasn't illegal, that should be enough. He knows about catching it in traffic and the hits you can take. I think 3 out of the 4 guys that played/coached on that panel said it was legal.

It was a legal hit. I think anyone that thinks otherwise needs to take the emotional aspect out of it. I love big hits but I have to admit, that one was hard to look at, and I think that's what people are getting hung up on.

[Matt Foley]

If they remove the threat of getting killed going across the middle, you're going to see average scores of 35-31.

[Dpantherman]

I think part of the problem is, there aren't enough NFL guys making these decisions, as in guys that have actually played the game. They should be helping enforce/come up with these rules

[Darth Biscuit]

If they remove the threat of getting killed going across the middle, you're going to see average scores of 35-31.

Yep... why even have defense out there? Hell, just play flag football.

[Proudiddy]

All the CBS guys, including Sharpe agree that technically this was helmet-to-helmet, a penalty was questionable, but Coleman should not be fined. Sharpe even explained that as a receiver, that shouldn't even be a penalty... I agree.

They said that league office is saying the problem lies in that he didn't have the second foot down... that's really ticky-tacky IMO. So if his foot was 2" lower it would have changed that play? Stupid.

Yeah but as one of them said, he had already crouched down and braced for impact. Therefore, he wasn't defenseless and the helmet contact was incidental as he lowered his pad level and the first hit knocked him past Coleman's shoulder and into his helmet.