The Progression of David Gettis

[TheRealDeal]

okay, so now anyone on a couch can throw a 44 yard pass and place it perfectly at a point a receiver can make the grab and a defender can't interfere with the play?? and WE"RE haters? Come on. You take as much away from Clausen as anyone does Moore.

I never said we could place it accurately which is where I gave Clausen credit. Please re read. I also said arguing for a 44 yard pass isn't a great argument for superior arm strength, but rather for accuracy.

[mav1234]

I've not seen any real example of Moore showing superior arm strength. Clausen has made some incredible throws on the run. Moore has made some great throws into tight coverage though, but they usually aren't that long.

[TheRealDeal]

Watch it again, he hits him in stride. From the moment he sees Stewart downfield, he throws it to him in a spot where no defender could get it if there was one there. Hitting him in the numbers, I might add.

You call this hitting him in stride? And I'm the homer?

Ball went 31 yards in the air.

[Peppers90 NC]

^^Then he should say that. He shouldn't say meaningful games. All NFL games are meaningful. It's not Moore's fault Delhomme stunk up the whole 2009 season and it's not Moore's fault that Fox was too late in putting him in. When he got in against some good NFL teams he played well.

Now this year he has a terrible team around him, and he's playing terrible and we assume this is the "real" Matt Moore.

I'm not saying you have to agree but you have to see that just basing it off 5 games with a bad team altogether doesn't make sense. It is a collective effort.

People can try and discount those games as much as they want, but they were important, both for the teams we were playing and for our team, save 2. No doubt about it.

Those games were meaningful to the Buccs, Pats, Giants and Vikes.

[TheRealDeal]

I've not seen any real example of Moore showing superior arm strength. Clausen has made some incredible throws on the run. Moore has made some great throws into tight coverage though, but they usually aren't that long.

I don't have time to look through all of Moore's completions (even though some might argue there aren't that many) but in Clausen's short time he has completed one pass of 44 yards.

I'm not being a hater but that doesn't shout superior arm strength due to distance?

Yes I know he has a pass to stew for 55 but refer to a few posts above on that one.

Can we agree on that?

[TheRealDeal]

I realize it isn't going to be easy convincing someone with a Matt Moore avatar to believe he isn't the most qualified person to be the franchise QB here. Kinda like trying to convince a person with a 'Bama avatar to believe Auburn is better...

The avatar is more of an ode to SS coming back early to play with Moore and to show how he MIGHT like Moore a little bit better. Not to bring up any old issues or anything.

[TheRealDeal]

Watch it again, he hits him in stride. From the moment he sees Stewart downfield, he throws it to him in a spot where no defender could get it if there was one there. Hitting him in the numbers, I might add.

LOL just read this again. A spot no defender could get it? Please recant.

Can't believe you say I'm the homer.

[TheRealDeal]

Those games were meaningful to the Buccs, Pats, Giants and Vikes.

Don't forget Seahawks and Cowboys.

[mav1234]

Moore hasn't exactly had any completions longer than 40 yards in recent memory, either. He had a long one last year where Smith galloped for a ways after it. I don't think arm strength is a significant advantage for either of them to be honest.

I was pointing out that Clausen can throw the long ball, which is something you had said ..

You've seen Moore make those throws and in Jimmy's short time he hasn't.

wasn't trying to say Clausen's arm strength > Moores, cause I don't know if that is true, but I do think he has the ability to have greater accuracy.

[TheRealDeal]

Moore hasn't exactly had any completions longer than 40 yards in recent memory, either. He had a long one last year where Smith galloped for a ways after it. I don't think arm strength is a significant advantage for either of them to be honest.

I was pointing out that Clausen can throw the long ball, which is something you had said ..

wasn't trying to say Clausen's arm strength > Moores, cause I don't know if that is true, but I do think he has the ability to have greater accuracy.

I don't think one ball makes a case either way. I was just mad that LPF was so sure Clausen had more arm strength because of distance throws. He might but my argument was that I hadn't seen it anywhere not so much that Moore has thrown it long.

He was repped as having more accuracy but I'm not too sure anymore. He's missed a lot of open guys underneath. I just don't know about him. We were promised a lot and have seen very little in very little time. Even in his best game he wasn't very accurate.

Edit:

I wonder why LPF hasn't come back after I posted the pic of Clausen hitting Stewie "in stride"

[mav1234]

we haven't seen enough from Clausen to conclude much of anything, imo.

I don't think his throw to Stewart was as bad as you made it out to be; it was by no means a good example of throwing to a receiver in stride, but he still got it to him at least, haha.

I do think Moore has a tendency to overthrow guys more than Clausen ever did, which may be indicative of a stronger arm.

Either way, I don't think arm strength is a weakness for either guy.

[Carl Spackler]

I don't think one ball makes a case either way. I was just mad that LPF was so sure Clausen had more arm strength because of distance throws. He might but my argument was that I hadn't seen it anywhere not so much that Moore has thrown it long.

He was repped as having more accuracy but I'm not too sure anymore. He's missed a lot of open guys underneath. I just don't know about him. We were promised a lot and have seen very little in very little time. Even in his best game he wasn't very accurate.

Edit:

I wonder why LPF hasn't come back after I posted the pic of Clausen hitting Stewie "in stride"

Because you served my ass and humiliated me so much I had to sign off and cry for a bit. That video and the amateurish crack you made at me on the "Post a Pic" thread just did me in. You are so awesome.

Or, I left because I have this thing called a job that has responsibilities and don't have time to answer your Moore slurping all the time. Sorry to make you "mad" that I said Moore has a weaker arm. Didn't know it bothered you so much little buddy.

[TheRealDeal]

I don't think his throw to Stewart was as bad as you made it out to be; it was by no means a good example of throwing to a receiver in stride, but he still got it to him at least, haha

I haven't said anything that it isn't. Only thing I've posted about that throw are facts (straight facts homie!) In that picture I Posted it looks like Stewart is catching a punt.

I wasn't the one that said it was perfectly thrown in stride. I simply pointed out that it was under thrown and Stewart had to turn around to catch it. I also pointed out it traveled 31 yards in the air. He threw it at the 44 and it was caught at the 25ish.

Those facts cannot be debated. That is why LPF left.

[TheRealDeal]

Because you served my ass and humiliated me so much I had to sign off and cry for a bit. That video and the amateurish crack you made at me on the "Post a Pic" thread just did me in. You are so awesome.

Or, I left because I have this thing called a job that has responsibilities and don't have time to answer your Moore slurping all the time. Sorry to make you "mad" that I said Moore has a weaker arm. Didn't know it bothered you so much little buddy.

In stride?