The Progression of David Gettis

[Carl Spackler]

He's underthrown LaFell and Stewart on deep balls and Moore usually overthrows (not that that's any better) so I'm curious as to what distance throws you've seen.

He didn't underthrow Stewart, he put it on the money as he was running. But it's hard to say his arm is weaker because he underthrew LaFell. Moore underthrew Smith against STL for an INT.

[scpanther22]

He's underthrown LaFell and Stewart on deep balls and Moore usually overthrows (not that that's any better) so I'm curious as to what distance throws you've seen.

Hard to get a true read on his arm strength with a injury in his big toe.

[TheRealDeal]

He didn't underthrow Stewart, he put it on the money as he was running. But it's hard to say his arm is weaker because he underthrew LaFell. Moore underthrew Smith against STL for an INT.

Watch the Stewart play again, Stewart had to slow down a ton and nearly stop to catch it.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b047e5/Clausen-finds-Stewart-deep-for-TD

Doesn't look "On the money" to me

Moore did not under throw Smith unless you are talking about the flea flicker which still isn't the type of throw you were trying to compare.

We're having a good discussion don't ruin it with blind hate.

[Carl Spackler]

Watch the Stewart play again, Stewart had to slow down a ton and nearly stop to catch it.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b047e5/Clausen-finds-Stewart-deep-for-TD

Doesn't look "On the money" to me

Moore did not under throw Smith unless you are talking about the flea flicker which still isn't the type of throw you were trying to compare.

We're having a good discussion don't ruin it with blind hate.

Why do you insist on labeling me a hater because I disagree? God that really gets annoying. If someone told you the Panthers were awesome, and you said they weren't, does that make you a Panthers hater? No, it doesn't.

1) Again, Clausen on the run...putting it in the numbers downfield. Could he have led him better? Maybe but it was a touchdown pass regardless, now you're getting picky.

2) Moore off his back foot, intercepted. Moore on the run to Clowney, underthrown and on his knees Clowney brings it in.

[mav1234]

Stewart did have to slow down, but that's no surprise. It's typical that on a totally busted play like that one was, that receiver often needs to slow down. Clausen hit him where I think his route effectively ended. He did have to slow down but it was still a good throw to him.

his 40 yard pass to lafell is waaay better though : http://www.nfl.com/videos/carolina-panthers/09000d5d81adb80d/QB-Clausen-to-WR-LaFell-44-yd-pass ...he put it right where it needed to be so the defender had literally 0 chance to influence the play outside of holding. That throw is why I had really high hopes for the guy. =|

Not saying Moore isn't capable of those throws...

but honestly, Clausen's plus coming in was his accuracy more than his arm strength as far as I recall, but I could be wrong

EDIT: about what LPF said, Clowney's catch was f'ing amazing. Major props to that guy. Ball was in a bad spot and he grabbed it.

[TheRealDeal]

Why do you insist on labeling me a hater because I disagree? God that really gets annoying. If someone told you the Panthers were awesome, and you said they weren't, does that make you a Panthers hater? No, it doesn't.

1) Again, Clausen on the run...putting it in the numbers downfield. Could he have led him better? Maybe but it was a touchdown pass regardless, now you're getting picky.

2) Moore off his back foot, intercepted. Moore on the run to Clowney, underthrown and on his knees Clowney brings it in.

You are now picking throws that aren't what you originally said you based it on, distance. That's what makes you seem like a hater, just naming things that aren't really relevant to this discussion to bash Moore. I can pick tons of throws where Clausen bounced it to receivers and so on.

Saying he under threw Smith is just pure hate especially after Smith and Fox said that is Smith's fault. If you were talking about the flea flicker that is not comparable because Moore was backpedaling. Bad Decision? 100%

Yes Clausen was on the run but he was running forward, not backward or side to side so that should help his distance. JStew literally came to a stop. That shows a lack of arm strength. On the LaFell one Jimmy was standing in the pocket with no pressure and took the biggest wind up and still threw it 6 yards short.

You've seen Moore make those throws and in Jimmy's short time he hasn't.

[mav1234]

He hasn't, eh? What about that 44 yarder to lafell I just linked?

don't be a hater. He has made some nice throws. So has Moore. Let's be reasonable now.

To say he has better arm strength isn't necessarily accurate, but I think he is better on the move than Moore.

[Carl Spackler]

You are now picking throws that aren't what you originally said you based it on, distance. That's what makes you seem like a hater, just naming things that aren't really relevant to this discussion to bash Moore. I can pick tons of throws where Clausen bounced it to receivers and so on.

Saying he under threw Smith is just pure hate especially after Smith and Fox said that is Smith's fault. If you were talking about the flea flicker that is not comparable because Moore was backpedaling. Bad Decision? 100%

Yes Clausen was on the run but he was running forward, not backward or side to side so that should help his distance. JStew literally came to a stop. That shows a lack of arm strength. On the LaFell one Jimmy was standing in the pocket with no pressure and took the biggest wind up and still threw it 6 yards short.

You've seen Moore make those throws and in Jimmy's short time he hasn't.

You're conveniently leaving out the 44-yarder to LaFell...:yesnod:

[TheRealDeal]

Mav while I agree that was a great throw, 40 yards hardly shows that his arm strength is superior when it comes to distance throwing, which is what LPF was arguing. Any chump sitting on their couch can go out there and huck it 40 yards. Accuracy was supposed to be his strong point with the deep ball as his weak link.

I still disagree on the Stewart throw. I don't think a go pattern really ends. Stewart didn't stop running like that was where the route ended but rather so he could make a catch. He was running but it was forward and it's not like he threw it 50+ yards then Stew stopped, it was likely around 35 yards and from that distance with superior arm strength he should be able to hit him in stride.

[Carl Spackler]

I realize it isn't going to be easy convincing someone with a Matt Moore avatar to believe he isn't the most qualified person to be the franchise QB here. Kinda like trying to convince a person with a 'Bama avatar to believe Auburn is better...

[TheRealDeal]

You're conveniently leaving out the 44-yarder to LaFell...:yesnod:

While I acknowledged the 44 yard pass to LaFell, that hardly proves your point that his distance is better than Moore's. I can throw the football 44 yards.

1 good and 2 bad does not make a great case for superior arm strength.

[Carl Spackler]

Mav while I agree that was a great throw, 40 yards hardly shows that his arm strength is superior when it comes to distance throwing, which is what LPF was arguing. Any chump sitting on their couch can go out there and huck it 40 yards. Accuracy was supposed to be his strong point with the deep ball as his weak link.

I still disagree on the Stewart throw. I don't think a go pattern really ends. Stewart didn't stop running like that was where the route ended but rather so he could make a catch. He was running but it was forward and it's not like he threw it 50+ yards then Stew stopped, it was likely around 35 yards and from that distance with superior arm strength he should be able to hit him in stride.

Watch it again, he hits him in stride. From the moment he sees Stewart downfield, he throws it to him in a spot where no defender could get it if there was one there. Hitting him in the numbers, I might add.

[TheRealDeal]

Watch it again, he hits him in stride. From the moment he sees Stewart downfield, he throws it to him in a spot where no defender could get it if there was one there. Hitting him in the numbers, I might add.

You can't really say that is in stride. Stew is literally facing the line of scrimmage.

I'm trying to be very objective in this but you have to admit he stopped, that's all.

[mav1234]

okay, so now anyone on a couch can throw a 44 yard pass and place it perfectly at a point a receiver can make the grab and a defender can't interfere with the play?? and WE"RE haters? Come on. You take as much away from Clausen as anyone does Moore.