The Progression of David Gettis

[TheRealDeal]

So I decided to look back on that play and when the ball is being pitched back to Moore, the safety has a clear 14-15 yard cushion on LaFell.

The second attachment shows the safety turned around and running and he has at least a 5 yard cushion.

I can't believe Moore was so dumb not to think LaFell would be open, especially with the guy underneath. So incompetent that he didn't hit LaFell.

The play was still terrible, but not because he didn't hit LaFell.

[jasonluckydog]

Last weeks game was simple, Moore didn't go through his reads he locked on to 89 then 89 and 89 and 89 again then 11...It seemed to me he didn't trust the other receivers to fight for the ball or something maybe I'm wrong but that's what it looked like to me.

[Snake]

Last weeks game was simple, Moore didn't go through his reads he locked on to 89 then 89 and 89 and 89 again then 11...It seemed to me he didn't trust the other receivers to fight for the ball or something maybe I'm wrong but that's what it looked like to me.

The difference in Moore and Clausen are that when Smith come back to the huddle and bitches, Moore gets it to him the next play no matter what. Moore has poor field vision and thats why he misses open WRs. He dose not scan the field very well and when you dont have any run game and a good pass rush that can be disastrous. The game is a lot more complex when you are one dimensional and only a hand full of QBs I know can manage that way.

[panthers55]

The difference in Moore and Clausen are that when Smith come back to the huddle and bitches, Moore gets it to him the next play no matter what. Moore has poor field vision and thats why he misses open WRs. He dose not scan the field very well and when you dont have any run game and a good pass rush that can be disastrous. The game is a lot more complex when you are one dimensional and only a hand full of QBs I know can manage that way.

If you have a ten year veteran who has been a probowler and two rookies who don't run the right routes, wouldn't know a hot read from a hot pocket, and give up on routes, who would you lock on and throw to even if he is covered??

Not trying to excuse Moore's play which has been bad at times for sure, but neither Gettis or LaFell are good enough or consistent enough to demand the ball or expect a bunch of passes in their direction.

[Snake]

If you have a ten year veteran who has been a probowler and two rookies who don't run the right routes, wouldn't know a hot read from a hot pocket, and give up on routes, who would you lock on and throw to even if he is covered??

Not trying to excuse Moore's play which has been bad at times for sure, but neither Gettis or LaFell are good enough or consistent enough to demand the ball or expect a bunch of passes in their direction.

How do you become consistent or "good enough" if you dont get the ball. Smith has not really proven to be reliable ether. The fact is none of our WRs have with Gettis being the most reliable of the bunch.

[carpanfan96]

If you have a ten year veteran who has been a probowler and two rookies who don't run the right routes, wouldn't know a hot read from a hot pocket, and give up on routes, who would you lock on and throw to even if he is covered??

Not trying to excuse Moore's play which has been bad at times for sure, but neither Gettis or LaFell are good enough or consistent enough to demand the ball or expect a bunch of passes in their direction.

All of the WR's are making mistakes like that, not just the rookies.. Kinda what makes it pathetic.

[Carl Spackler]

I genuinely trust Gettis to bring it in more than any other WR but his YACs aren't something I expect to be outrageous.

[panthers55]

How do you become consistent or "good enough" if you dont get the ball. Smith has not really proven to be reliable ether. The fact is none of our WRs have with Gettis being the most reliable of the bunch.

Be where the quarterback expects you to be. Pick up on the hot reads and run the right route. Don't give up on the route and keep running. All things the rookies aren't doing. The quarterback throws to the guys he trusts plain and simple. If a receiver doesn't get the ball it is often his fault. Jarrett is a classic example.

[panthers55]

All of the WR's are making mistakes like that, not just the rookies.. Kinda what makes it pathetic.

Sad indeed. At least Smith was willing to man up and take responsibility for his part in it.

[Delhommey]

If you have a ten year veteran who has been a probowler and two rookies who don't run the right routes, wouldn't know a hot read from a hot pocket, and give up on routes, who would you lock on and throw to even if he is covered??

Not trying to excuse Moore's play which has been bad at times for sure, but neither Gettis or LaFell are good enough or consistent enough to demand the ball or expect a bunch of passes in their direction.

I can agree with that somewhat, but Moore was classically lost out there.

Usually went like this:

1. Didn't throw to Smitty when he was wider than wide open (many times cause Moore didn't compose himself enough to look to even glance towards where the pressure was coming from).

2. Smitty comes back to the huddle sayin' "Um, hey Matt..."

3. Matt realizes he f'd up.

4. Matt throws to a now double covered Smitty, missing the entire point.

5. A Smitty bat down/overthrow/INT

6. Rinse/wash/repeat

In the end the iffy-at-best WR and O-line situation is throwing the team back on Matt's shoulders while Matt is no where near capable of carrying that kind of weight.

The difference between Matt and Jimmy? Matt will never be ready for that kind of pressure. Jimmy may just not be ready right now.

In the end it results in one of the crappiest offenses I've ever had to watch since the Jeff Bowden era. Probably worse, really.

[panthers55]

I can agree with that somewhat, but Moore was classically lost out there.

Usually went like this:

1. Didn't throw to Smitty when he was wider than wide open (many times cause Moore didn't compose himself enough to look to even glance towards where the pressure was coming from).

2. Smitty comes back to the huddle sayin' "Um, hey Matt..."

3. Matt realizes he f'd up.

4. Matt throws to a now double covered Smitty, missing the entire point.

5. A Smitty bat down/overthrow/INT

6. Rinse/wash/repeat

In the end the iffy-at-best WR and O-line situation is throwing the team back on Matt's shoulders while Matt is no where near capable of carrying that kind of weight.

The difference between Matt and Jimmy? Matt will never be ready for that kind of pressure. Jimmy may just not be ready right now.

In the end it results in one of the crappiest offenses I've ever had to watch since the Jeff Bowden era. Probably worse, really.

No one would let Moore off the hook after watching the game but he could be much better if things are working on the o-line and running the ball.

Drew Brees had 4 Ints against Cleveland for that matter. Why? No running game and he tried to make plays that weren't there. All quarterbacks would struggle if they played with this offense.

As for Matt and Jimmy, I am not going to even get into it. Too many fanatics on both sides in my opinion. You can't have a rational discussion on the subject right now.

[Delhommey]

Moore's best games are games like NY last year. Where he didn't mess up but he didn't play great.

Everyone looks to that game as some kind of crowning achievement but Matt didn't do much. He just took advantage of a positive turnover situation, a Moose push off that wasn't called, a worse than depleted secondary (in-game injuries begat CC Brown. CC Brown begat Panther receivers being wiiiiiiidddeee open), and an inspired Peppers on the other end who was able to tee off due to a decent lead. Even then you could make a decent argument that we were one Hitchcock holding penalty and subsequent Manningham fumble from being in a bad place.

As far as the Minny game, that was a playoff team half assing it with Pep playing out of his mind (one of the best games he plaid for us in the last 3 years).

I cannot look back on any film and see Matt Moore impressing (Obviously can say that for every QB on the roster).

Say what you will about any of our QB's, none of them were tested. Pike and Clausen are unpolished rooks and Matt never has won a game that counted for anything in his NFL career.

If we had a very good to elite QB we could be a middle of the road team (6-10 to 9-7). As it is, we'll be blessed from on high to take 4.

[panthers55]

Moore's best games are games like NY last year. Where he didn't mess up but he didn't play great.

Everyone looks to that game as some kind of crowning achievement but Matt didn't do much. He just took advantage of a positive turnover situation, a Moose push off that wasn't called, a worse than depleted secondary (in-game injuries begat CC Brown. CC Brown begat Panther receivers being wiiiiiiidddeee open), and an inspired Peppers on the other end who was able to tee off due to a decent lead. Even then you could make a decent argument that we were one Hitchcock holding penalty and subsequent Manningham fumble from being in a bad place.

If going 15-20 for 171 yards and three TDs for a passer rating of 139 was not doing much of anything, I hope he doesn't do much this week against the Saints.

[Carl Spackler]

...and here I thought this was a David Gettis thread...