Matt Moore sure was pissed off after that Rams game

[CRA]

I don't blame Matt for a lack of effort.

I think he plays the position well. All else equal better than Clausen at this point.

What I blame him for is a clear lack of leadership.

This was HIS team this year. Not Clausen's, not Smith's, not anyone elses.

He set the tone along with the coaches through camp.

There was never a sense of urgency or any visible demonstrations of leadership.

It was alwasy "understated" or "calm" or "quiet"... as if those are admirable traits for a leader.

I thought Matt played a great game against SF but it was exactly "who he was". A non-leader who can play the position as a game manager when the pressure is off but is not going to be the personaility to take a team to the super bowl.

I think that Moore is an ideal backup in this league and I don't say that in a negative way. He can come in and move a team down the field when his number is called. He will be in the league a long time and will make a lot of money.

kid was benched during week 2. Fox kinda sabatoged that to some degree.

[Jpjr]

kid was benched during week 2. Fox kinda sabatoged that to some degree.

They didn't score an entire touchdown during the preseason. He was really benched in week 6 from Fox's perspective.

[Jpjr]

Yes all leaders must not be "understated" "calm" or "quiet" they must be "outspoken" like Randy Moss, "hyper" and "loud". Everyone knows Manning, Manning, and Brady are "hyper" or "crazy" and "loud."

That makes more sense.

I wasn't talking extremes.

But everything I've read is that this team had a lazy camp. The coaches weren't engaged and the players weren't hungry.

That could be wrong and of course no one on the team would admit to it, but the problems on offense appear to be caused by a lack of hard work. Fumbles, interceptions, missed blocks, wrong routes, penalties... none of it symbolizes a disciplined team.

I think Fox is right this team has the talent to win. They just seem ill prepared and for that it falls first on the coaches but second on Matt if he was to be the long-term QB.

Notice I'm not singing anyone elses praises here either especially Clausen.

[TheRealDeal]

They didn't score an entire touchdown during the preseason. He was really benched in week 6 from Fox's perspective.

He also didn't have a legit weapon all preseason. The running game was terrible and so was the line. Moore has proven with a decent line and a solid run game he can win in this league.

As for your next post all that comes down from the owner. How can Moore/Fox be expected to lead when everyone expects them both to be run out of town after the season?

This team was setup to fail no doubt about it.

PS Is there a way to score part of a TD and not an entire TD?

[CRA]

They didn't score an entire touchdown during the preseason. He was really benched in week 6 from Fox's perspective.

Moore has scored in every game he has started this year. Run game/OL is the real issue....and the playcalling.

[Jpjr]

Moore has scored in every game he has started this year. Run game/OL is the real issue....and the playcalling.

Everyone has thier views on who's fault it is for the terrible offense.

I will grant you that most of it I think lies with the coaching - bad prepartion and terrible playcalling/scheme.

I think Matt can play. I'm just not sure he can lead.

[Snake]

Moore has scored in every game he has started this year. Run game/OL is the real issue....and the playcalling.

While thats true. Nether him or Clausen have good field vision. There have been open WRs that they didnt see and WRs that were not open that they did throw too. Both lack Vision and while Moore dose have better vision then Clausen its not much and Jimmy will be better then Matt by year 3.

[Tarheels23]

Moore is a likeable guy, and I did see him snap after that last INT, which I also believe Smitty was at fault on... Fox's comments support that as well. But, at this point, who really cares? Moore most likely won't be here after this season, our coach won't be here next season, so we'll be starting over, and as far as this season the entire offensive unit sucks collectively. What does it matter what Moore does? The team doesn't care, we shouldn't either.

See, this is how it works this season... There are no heroes. If Moore is lighting it up, Smitty will f*ck up. If Smitty gets his sh*t together, Moore is f*cking up. If they are both on the same page and having success, our RBs fumble and suck... So really, what's the point in bringing this up? Your arguments aren't going to keep Moore here.

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[mav1234]

I'm pretty sure others have said Moore is not as "fiery" as some QBs, like Jake. Take what you want from that.

While I agree that run game, OL, and playcalling are all HUGE issues... turnovers do matter. Remember last year when we actually had a functioning run game and arguably some decent play calling? Turnovers are *killer*. Not saying it should all fall on Moore - I mean, hello, Smitty had the most costly turnover yesterday - but ALL turnovers are bad, and Matt's were bad bad bad, even if they weren't solely on him.

[TheRealDeal]

I don't understand why you guys think "fiery" is a necessary QB trait.

For every "Fiery" QB that is good, there are 5 bad "fiery" QBs and 10 good "non-fiery" QBs.

[mav1234]

I completely agree, RealDeal. I think you can find success either way. Just saying, Moore is known to not be the same kind of "Fiery leader." What's that mean? Uh, well, nothing all that much.

Manning, though, is from what I have heard. However, it's not like that really matters; if the only thing keeping Moore from putting up Manning-like numbers was his fieryness, we'd be in a hell of a good position offensively. This is no knock on him. Our team has some huge issues.

[Jpjr]

I don't understand why you guys think "fiery" is a necessary QB trait.

For every "Fiery" QB that is good, there are 5 bad "fiery" QBs and 10 good "non-fiery" QBs.

Fiery is not necessary.

Vocal is.

The only person that would argue Matt is a true leader is Smitty and that's only because Matt is not afraid to rack up muliple interceptions by lofting it at Smith no matter how many guys are covering him.

[TheRealDeal]

Agreed we have a ton of issues. People want to look past the fact that with a decent run game and decent Oline Moore has been an above average starter in this league. If/when those two aspects get going this team should be a lot better.

Also, Fox needs to not care about LaFell's blocking and let Gettis start. It's not like our RBs are breaking runs to the outside/second level anyway.

[TheRealDeal]

Fiery is not necessary.

Vocal is.

The only person that would argue Matt is a true leader is Smitty and that's only because Matt is not afraid to rack up muliple interceptions by lofting it at Smith no matter how many guys are covering him.

How many pics has Moore thrown "lofting it at Smith no matter how many guys are covering him?"

NYG I don't recall all of them but at least one of them wasn't

TB it wasn't a loft and it might not have been intended for Smith

SF not intended for Smith also not lofted

Stl the one where his arm was hit could have been intended for him/LaFell but it doesn't fall under your claim and the last one was a bullet that had 1 defender nearby.

Bring some facts not some fallacies that fit into your agenda!:ciappa: