Lost!!!!!

[CRA]

I don't think "knowing" is enough. He "knew" they were going to mess with the bomb that he gave them, and that still killed some of them. To me that was more of him acting as a killer than just letting a bomb planted by someone else stay on the plane. Personally I think it's just a plot thing. The producers still need the plane for something.

To me it's kind of like, why do they keep sending the mortal characters to take over stuff and risk getting shot? Why doesn't Smokey just take all the enemies out and then deal with whatever he needs to. It's just a way for the producers to get the outcome they want I think.

but if the castaways got on the sub and did nothing (like Jack said)....they are fine and sail away. If they got on the plane and started it up, nothing would have happened to them.

If Smokey does kill everyone....then that also limits the means for those on the list to die? He can't touch them. For example, if it is just Smokey and Jack left.....Smokey would have his hands tied. Just like he always had his hands tied with Jacob and had to find a loophole

[DirtyMagic97]

but if the castaways got on the sub and did nothing (like Jack said)....they are fine and sail away. If they got on the plane and started it up, nothing would have happened to them.

If Smokey does kill everyone....then that also limits the means for those on the list to die? He can't touch them. For example, if it is just Smokey and Jack left.....Smokey would have his hands tied. Just like he always had his hands tied with Jacob and had to find a loophole

I feel you. But what I'm saying is Smokey never planted the bomb on the plane. Widmore's men did, so it would be Widmore killing them, not Smokey. Just because Smokey knows it's going to happen, doesn't mean he did the killing.

And I wasn't really talking about killing Sawyer, Kate, Sun, Jin, and all them...I was talking about all those people who were shooting. Why did smokey just stand there and shoot back for a long period of time when he could have just transformed and taken them out...yet another way of garnering their trust before he kills them.

[CRA]

I feel you. But what I'm saying is Smokey never planted the bomb on the plane. Widmore's men did, so it would be Widmore killing them, not Smokey. Just because Smokey knows it's going to happen, doesn't mean he did the killing.

And I wasn't really talking about killing Sawyer, Kate, Sun, Jin, and all them...I was talking about all those people who were shooting. Why did smokey just stand there and shoot back for a long period of time when he could have just transformed and taken them out...yet another way of garnering their trust before he kills them.

well, he wanted to get left behind and not be on the sub. He was just shooting back (bullets don't hurt him) to give the castaways the thought they were leaving him. He never wanted on the sub but wanted to give the illusion he wanted on.

[DirtyMagic97]

well, he wanted to get left behind and not be on the sub. He was just shooting back (bullets don't hurt him) to give the castaways the thought they were leaving him. He never wanted on the sub but wanted to give the illusion he wanted on.

Ah yea. You're right. It's a good way to take up time and still act like he is trying to get on the sub.

[CRA]

Ah yea. You're right. It's a good way to take up time and still act like he is trying to get on the sub.

i think next week will either be one of the best ever or completely horrible. Looks to give a lot fo insight on the Jacob/MIB.

[DirtyMagic97]

i think next week will either be one of the best ever or completely horrible. Looks to give a lot fo insight on the Jacob/MIB.

Yea, it is definitely going to be important to the whole plot of the show...which puts a lot of pressure on it. Like you said, it could either be really good, or a huge flop.

[natty]

Great episode, but it brings up more and more annoying questions about Locke in the alt reality. Sawyer is still looking for Locke's dad, so we can assume he was/is still a conman, but now Locke thinks highly of him(maybe he was in the process of conning him and the plane crash prevented it?). So if Cooper never conned Locke then how did Locke meet Helen(remember they met at an anger management group after Locke lost his kidney)?

[DirtyMagic97]

Great episode, but it brings up more and more annoying questions about Locke in the alt reality. Sawyer is still looking for Locke's dad, so we can assume he was/is still a conman, but now Locke thinks highly of him(maybe he was in the process of conning him and the plane crash prevented it?). So if Cooper never conned Locke then how did Locke meet Helen(remember they met at an anger management group after Locke lost his kidney)?

It's one of those things that had to happen. Like the fact that Locke needed to be put in a wheelchair, but it happened a different way because he was close with his father, not confronting him. And he may have still met her at the anger management group because he was angry at himself for doing that to his father.

[c0r]

my god, the new Jack is absolutely amazing IMO.

[CRA]

my god, the new Jack is absolutely amazing IMO.

yeah, no more pu-nanny Dr. Jack. Dr. Jack is gonna go all Steve Smith on people soon.

[GRWatcher]

Okay, here’s a theory for the ending. Jack facilitates ALT John’s return to face MiB by “fixing” him in the ALT. While John’s on the operating table, he “travels” to the island and confronts MiB. Gets MiB, with Jack’s and Sawyer’s help, to give up John’s demeanor and since he can’t assume another demeanor, he is bodiless and enters the realm of the Whisperers. The Whisperers have been waiting for this for a very long time and, lead by Richard (yeah, he dies and being hundreds of years old disintegrates into dust but is now with Isabelle), together they restrain MiB from making it back to the real world. Maybe they or Desmond throw him into a black hole or something along those lines. Hurley is there to narrate what the Whisperers are doing because only he can see them. And communicate between Jacob & the Losties. Desmond brings the timelines together for the Losties that are left, using electromagnetism or whatever.

Now choices need to be made. Here’s the kicker. After MiB is gone, Jack refuses to take Jacob’s place on the island because island Jack sees the ALT. And without a guardian the island sinks and what is now a single timeline continues that is more like the ALT where people are happy and alive but there is a sadness because they all have their memories of the island. Free will & destiny. Ms. Eloise is happy.

Last scene: Christian Shepard’s pine box washes up on a shore, not on the island because it’s sunk but somewhere else, not sure where.

Whatcha' think?

[Stickman2]

It is Tuesday..............Wooo Hooo

[DirtyMagic97]

Pumped. Can't believe so few episodes until the series finale. I may cry when the last episode is over.

[GRWatcher]

Tonight's episode ----> wtf?? I felt empty after watching it, disappointed. Maybe I was expecting too much. There were some answers but they just lead to more questions which I am afraid might not ever be answered. So MiB built the wheel but who installed it and had it working? Who/what was the lying mother and where did she come from? How was she assigned the island's protector? Who owns all the damn rules? etc The first sighting of the lighted cave couldn't have been more cheesy, grade B move-ish. Felt like I was watching a Disney movie.

Three points:

I think Jacob was her 2nd choice as protector. MiB had been her 1st choice but he turned against her. I also think Jacob knew that.

After dead-Claudia appeared only to MiB I thought back through all the episodes with Jacob and I don't remember Jacob ever talking to or seeing the dead. Maybe he just can't do it.

One woman, no matter how immortal, could not cause all that destruction and death at the camp and well. I'll bet that lying-Mother also had the ability to turn into a smoke monster. So that was probably the only true statement she said when she talked about the light being worse than death.

Because it is Lost, I'll take this episode and file it away and wait for them to tie it together in the final episodes.