Fox: "Matt Moore gives us the best chance to win"

[Carl Spackler]

And this year's 10 INT's ???

3 were Smith's fault, 3 were Fox/Davidson's fault and 4 were the O-Line's fault, duh. Moore single-handedly carried us yesterday and without him we'd have gotten beat 54-0. I'd much rather have a guy who has only 5 bad games out of 6 who won't be here next year than a 2nd-round draft pick who was given up on after 2 3/4 games. I mean clearly Moore's fire after the third interception, which was completely Smith's fault (he only sucks when Moore is in, when Clausen is in it's Clausen's fault) is proof why Moore deserves to be our franchise QB for the next 10 years. Anybody who can throw a wounded duck interception then throw a tantrum is the guy I want under center forever. Plus he's in the top 31 in QB rating this year among starters! What more could you ask for? Give him an O-line, some coaches, some receivers, a cheering crowd, no pressure and linebackers willing to deflect passes to receivers and he's Joe Montana.

/sarcasm

[Peppers90 NC]

He is right this year about that statement.

[Happy Panther]

Clausen will be given 2 years to develop

[CRA]

Moore proved last year that a QB who doesn't turn the ball over gives you a better chance to win then a QB who does...

He did prove that.....but while Moore wasn't turning it over he was staying in the pocket making throws and running the offense.

Clausen checking down and scrambling out of the pocket prevents a playaction offense from functioning.....therefore the fact he doesn't turn it over is irrelevant imo.

[TheRealDeal]

Wait, I thought you and a few others complained about how Clausen used the other receivers tooooo much and didn't focus on Smitty???

WoW, LOL

Anyway, I hope Fox isn't dumb enough to start Clausen again...magical QB isn't going to work. You pulled Moore, arguably to early, then pulled Clausen to start Moore again you cannot (should not) go back to Clausen. Let Matt play out the year. Let him sink or save his own ship and let Jimmy ride the bench where he probably should have stayed all year!

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said he threw to other receivers too much. I said he can't even get the ball to our best receiver. His favorite target was Goodson or the guy sitting in Row C.

[CatMan72]

He did prove that.....but while Moore wasn't turning it over he was staying in the pocket making throws and running the offense.

Clausen checking down and scrambling out of the pocket prevents a playaction offense from functioning.....therefore the fact he doesn't turn it over is irrelevant imo.

There is a point where the QB generating more turnovers does give you a better chance to win simply because he also generates more total offense, but Matt's positives do not outweigh the negatives at this point.

Clausen is being judged mostly on his abysmal performance against the Bears, when he was the first rookie QB to start with a whole squad of rookie WR's since '98 against a VERY tough defense... IMO the advantage to giving Clausen the rest of this lost season is to continue to evaluate him going into next year (so we can decide whether or not we need to address the QB position again).

[TheRealDeal]

Fox doesn't care about that.

If/When the FO steps in and does that all hell will break loose. You think it's bad now just wait until that happens.

[panthers55]

There is a point where the QB generating more turnovers does give you a better chance to win simply because he also generates more total offense, but Matt's positives do not outweigh the negatives at this point.

Clausen is being judged mostly on his abysmal performance against the Bears, when he was the first rookie QB to start with a whole squad of rookie WR's since '98 against a VERY tough defense... IMO the advantage to giving Clausen the rest of this lost season is to continue to evaluate him going into next year (so we can decide whether or not we need to address the QB position again).

The liklihood we draft another quarterback with the first pick is remote at best so Clausen will be here and will likely be in the mix to start. Given that the current staff won't be here, this whole lets evaluate him makes little sense. The new staff will implement their new offense and whether he plays or not next year won't be based on this year but how he does next training camp and preseason in a new system. Playing in one system and changing to another rarely helps a quarterback and usually sets them back, so there is liitle to be gained by playing him at this point. Look at a guy like Jason Campbell. Did playing him in one system and then changing everyone the following year hurt or help him? I think it hurt him.

I just really doubt we address quarterback in the draft. And we will likely bring in a veteran so truly no matter how Clausen plays it means little. It makes a whole bunch more sense to evaluate Moore who we need to make a decision about at this point. A decision on Clausen isn't really needed.

[Pox 08]

There is a point where the QB generating more turnovers does give you a better chance to win simply because he also generates more total offense, but Matt's positives do not outweigh the negatives at this point.

Clausen is being judged mostly on his abysmal performance against the Bears, when he was the first rookie QB to start with a whole squad of rookie WR's since '98 against a VERY tough defense... IMO the advantage to giving Clausen the rest of this lost season is to continue to evaluate him going into next year (so we can decide whether or not we need to address the QB position again).

A Bears defense with Peppers. Don't care that he plays uninspired ball a lot of the times, you know his presence was bound to be intimidating as hell to the rookie Clausen.

I can see them starting him against the Ravens. He'll walk away with a 20 qb rating, be labeled a bust.

[CatMan72]

The liklihood we draft another quarterback with the first pick is remote at best so Clausen will be here and will likely be in the mix to start. Given that the current staff won't be here, this whole lets evaluate him makes little sense. The new staff will implement their new offense and whether he plays or not next year won't be based on this year but how he does next training camp and preseason in a new system. Playing in one system and changing to another rarely helps a quarterback and usually sets them back, so there is liitle to be gained by playing him at this point. Look at a guy like Jason Campbell. Did playing him in one system and then changing everyone the following year hurt or help him? I think it hurt him.

I just really doubt we address quarterback in the draft. And we will likely bring in a veteran so truly no matter how Clausen plays it means little. It makes a whole bunch more sense to evaluate Moore who we need to make a decision about at this point. A decision on Clausen isn't really needed.

Hurney will still be here and the new coaching staff will use tape of Clausen this year as part of the evaluation going into next year, so it makes perfect sense to use the rest of this season to evaluate him - regardless of who the HC is next year.

Whether or not we use our first pick in the draft on a QB next year also depends heavily on the new HC... let's say we do hire Harbaugh and we have the first overall pick in the draft... you don't think we would take Luck?

[2jakefansinva]

I'm telling you guys...watch Drew Brees tonight. Everybody thinks he's one of the greatest QB's in the world, but watch how often he throws short, high percentage passes and allows his playmakers to get the yardage vs. throwing it 20yds downfield. If we expect either of our young QB's to be successful, that's what we need to be doing, especially if we can't run the ball.

agreed. our play calling (or lack there of) is the down fall for whom ever our QB may be. Our whole scheme sucks really bad but we continue too try and make it work. the one thing I kept asking myself yesterday was........why on earth was the FB and TE in the game in the 4th Qt.

[CRA]

There is a point where the QB generating more turnovers does give you a better chance to win simply because he also generates more total offense, but Matt's positives do not outweigh the negatives at this point.

Clausen is being judged mostly on his abysmal performance against the Bears, when he was the first rookie QB to start with a whole squad of rookie WR's since '98 against a VERY tough defense... IMO the advantage to giving Clausen the rest of this lost season is to continue to evaluate him going into next year (so we can decide whether or not we need to address the QB position again).

Clausen is being judged on all 3 starts. He simply isn't ready. Now, I can agree Moore's positives probably don't outweigh his positives......but that doesn't mean we can go to Clausen. Moore still gives us a chance (that is why we have a win.......that game was won on Moore's arm).

until the run game returns, Clausen gives us no chance(at least right now).

[CRA]

Hurney will still be here and the new coaching staff will use tape of Clausen this year as part of the evaluation going into next year, so it makes perfect sense to use the rest of this season to evaluate him - regardless of who the HC is next year.

Whether or not we use our first pick in the draft on a QB next year also depends heavily on the new HC... let's say we do hire Harbaugh and we have the first overall pick in the draft... you don't think we would take Luck?

Hurney staying isn't a given. As far as I know, Hurney isn't even under contract.....and that is Hurney's choice.

[panthers55]

Hurney will still be here and the new coaching staff will use tape of Clausen this year as part of the evaluation going into next year, so it makes perfect sense to use the rest of this season to evaluate him - regardless of who the HC is next year.

Whether or not we use our first pick in the draft on a QB next year also depends heavily on the new HC... let's say we do hire Harbaugh and we have the first overall pick in the draft... you don't think we would take Luck?

Again lets evaluate the guys we need to decide to resign or not. That wouldn't include Clausen. And film won't matter that much if we are running a new system with all new coaches. It doesn't matter how good he did in the old system but how well he picks us the new system.

As for going for a quarterback or not, I expect that won't be the headcoaches decision that will be Hurney. Unless we hire a big name guy who decides he wants control, a guy like Harbaugh who has never been a head coach won't be dictating what we do or who we draft right away. I know Fox and Hurney work together but it seems to me that when that was decided Hurney was new in the job. I expect that Hurney will exert more influence over time given he has been the one charting this path.

As for Luck? Don't really know if he will even be available. If Buffalo gets the first pick and goes that direction, then all this angst about picking him is for naught. Even if he were, I personally doubt that Hurney is going to do that at this point. Not after investing in Clausen.