Fans of Players vs Fans of the Team

[HPPantherzfan]

After last weeks performance by Moore there is no debate! Now if we can just get the running game going we may be able to string together some wins!

After watching the Dallas game last night, I am completely sold on the fact that Wade Phillips is worse at play calling than John Fox

[CharlotteBeer.com]

This thread reminds me of those jerks who booed Aaron Rodgers just for becoming the starting quarterback, or those Green Bay fans who went out and bought No. 4 Vikings jerseys.

Sure, they were few, but those sorts of people are out there.

[Proudiddy]

This thread reminds me of those jerks who booed Aaron Rodgers just for becoming the starting quarterback, or those Green Bay fans who went out and bought No. 4 Vikings jerseys.

Sure, they were few, but those sorts of people are out there.

Yeah, it's ludicrous.

I can't understand that, especially not going to a rival. I was kind of surprised with how rich and deep of a tradition that Green Bay has that their fans would split their loyalties like that...

[rayzor]

I even said myself, I didn't care for Clausen before we drafted him. But, if he succeeded it would give us national exposure like never before on a regular basis b/c of his background. And if he proved on the field that he could be a franchise QB, then I was 100% for that because that means we are successful as a team. That didn't happen, but it doesn't mean it won't later.

Moore looked like 2 different players those 1st 2 games vs. his performance on Sunday. He may not have deserved to get pulled that quick, but he didn't necessarily deserve to keep playing either. The benching was good for him.

Whatever guy gets us the W, that who I'm pulling for - I don't care about the name on the jersey.

But, I have to admit I was proud of his resilience and performance Sunday.

agreed 100%.

taking that a bit further, i want the to perform at a high level every game and that takes all players pulling their weight. you are only as strong as your weakest link(s). i don't care whose name is on that jersey, if they aren't playing well, i'm not going to make excuses for very long. if you can't get the job done, you need to be upgraded. sitting around, waiting and hoping is not an option. you always work to improve at every position. if the player can't or isn't improving on their own then try to get someone who could do better. i have no loyalties to players....only to the team.

[Mr. Scot]

The team is the primary thing, but even on the team, I am a fan of some guys more than others.

I like to see nice guys succeed, and that's never going to change. There are things in this world that are more important than football, and I'll admire a guy who's a good person over a guy who's a good player ten times out of ten. Throw in that I agree with the team's emphasis on getting high character guys, especially in the era of Roger Goodell.

With that said...

Teams can't make roster and depth chart decisions based on who's a good guy and who's a prick. Sometimes the guy who's best suited for a position is an insufferable jerk to work with, but just being a jerk isn't enough to get you benched or cut.

Poor work ethic, criminal behavior, lack of self-control and believing you're above the rules? Those things will (and should) get you knocked down a peg or sent packing. Being an ass to teammates and/or fans though? You may not like it, but a smart coach doesn't bench a guy for those reasons if he's performing.

Bottom Line: There are guys that I like and guys that I don't. I cheer for the team above all else. Beyond that, I hope for the nice guys to finish first, but I'm old enough to know it doesn't always happen.

[rayzor]

The team is the primary thing, but even on the team, I am a fan of some guys more than others.

I like to see nice guys succeed, and that's never going to change. There are things in this world that are more important than football, and I'll admire a guy who's a good person over a guy who's a good player ten times out of ten. Throw in that I agree with the team's emphasis on getting high character guys, especially in the era of Roger Goodell.

With that said...

Teams can't make roster and depth chart decisions based on who's a good guy and who's a prick. Sometimes the guy who's best suited for a position is an insufferable jerk to work with, but just being a jerk isn't enough to get you benched or cut.

Poor work ethic, criminal behavior, lack of self-control and believing you're above the rules? Those things will (and should) get you knocked down a peg or sent packing. Being an ass to teammates and/or fans though? You may not like it, but a smart coach doesn't bench a guy for those reasons if he's performing.

Bottom Line: There are guys that I like and guys that I don't. I cheer for the team above all else. Beyond that, I hope for the nice guys to finish first, but I'm old enough to know it doesn't always happen.

agreed here as well. there are some instances where that jerk in th lockerroom could be a detriment to the overall success/cohesiveness of the team (looking at probably keyshawn and fatty jenks as examples here) but for the most part if you can do the job, regardless of how much of an ass you are, the job should be yours. if you are a really good guy but can't get the job done then you need to be replaced, regardless of what you have done for us in the past (biggest example by far of this is jake).

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

No poo at the Titans/Panthers preseason game I actually saw a dude wearing a Jake Delhomme Browns jersey. It was interesting to finally put a face to a name though.

[Proudiddy]

lol I thought you were going with AK Panther lol

[rayzor]

the worst for me was when peppers came back a couple weeks ago and there was all the nuthugging going on. people actually applauded him shushing the crowd and were glad he "stuck it" to the team even though he'd done plenty of that over the past couple years.

the guy made it painfully obvious that he didn't want to be here and then comes back and said he did but the panthers screwed him over...smh. lots of reasons to be angry with richardson and the FO this year but the crap that peppers pulled was worse. people were far too blinded by their hatred of the FO and love for a player that couldn't wait to get away from the panthers and the charlotte area.

[PantherFanForLife]

I'd personally like to discuss some things like more PA calls, awful run blocking, things like that but I know they'll get hijacked with "Doesn't matter as long as Matt's at QB we're the best!"

Oh how did I miss this beauty of a thread.

Are you joking man? Seriously? Where do you think the rest of us have been the past months when every day you have been arguing for and sucking Clausen's manhood? We've all seen your posts.

Stop tying to front, you make yourself even more of a joke. You and a few of your buddies spent the majority of your time going gaga over Clausen. And I have already called you out on you comitting the worst sin as a fan, of actually hoping Matt Moore would screw up during the game just so you can prove how he isn't any damn good...in essence not giving a damn about the team.

Not only are you not man enough to admit you were wrong, but you still go and twist poo around.

The 4 or 5 of you who keep acting like I'm some Matt Moore lover, that just creates random threads and now all of a sudden act like you are all such team players need a serious reality check. The fact is you have been riding a bandwagon that was HURTING our team with the intent of hopefully solidifying the QB of your choice as the true starting QB of the Panthers, even though he did nothing to deserve that much attention, support and trust.

The truth is, I made threads based on common sense, stats and history, to back up an argument that Matt Moore is a good QB and he is the best option for this team. A couple of other fans backed me up but very few. And one game after he comes back and makes it look like just MAYBE the few of us could have had a point, you all try to pretend you have been some kind of team players and all about being behind the best man for the job.

The fact is I have been trying to get through your thick skulls from the get go that you were jumping on the Clausen bandwagon much too soon and were discrediting Matt far too easily and too early, never giving him any credit for the thing he's done on this team.

And now that it's looking more and more like that, some of you just need to shut it and eat your CROW like you should instead of trying to wiggle your way out of it.

PS: Oh and that goes for everyone except Mav. He's the only one that at least had the damn respect and balls to say...."hey you know what, looks like I could have been wrong about Moore". He ain't trying to act like he didn't say what he said....like you are.

[FuzzyPanther]

A lot of these 'new members' joined because of their fanboyism over certain players. Clawsome2 and others like him, are pretty much trolls... He hasn't been on the board since Moore was named the starter.

Do you welcome these fans or are they just indeed trolls?

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/members/clawsome2.html

Thanks for making this board dumber over the first 5 Weeks of the season. Glad to see you're a dedicated fan of the team... SMH.

Honestly, I was born in NC *before the Panthers, raised in NC *before the Panthers, played HS football in NC *In Thomasville, NC, against Brad Hoover, went to college in NC *shortly after the Panthers, and have been excited and proud since there was an NFL team in NC. However, I feel personally insulted by this thread.

I found a Panther forum, or decided to contribute to a Panther forum, later than others, so I'm a "troll", or "bandwagon", or whatever, because of a player? So what? What if it were true? If I pulled for the Panthers tomorrow because my brother was signed, or my favorite player, or some guy that I thought was a great player, or role model, or just a cool guy... Is that not enough to accept? Some Panther fans are not "fan" enough?

WTF, over?

[mav1234]

I agree with the OP. I support the team first and foremost; obviously, I am guilty of a lot of the Clausen-Moore garbage that had been thrown around, but I'm avoiding most of it now. In honesty, I thought Clausen gave us the best chance to win. I am glad now Moore is playing well though and I hope he keeps doing so. I think that should be clear from my posts, heh. I also support all the players on the team, even those that aren't starting. It doesn't mean I think they SHOULD start, but yeah.

At the same time, I also follow some players I enjoy. I don't own jerseys of theirs, but after 10 years of following them I might possibly pick 'em up. They usually start on a team I follow, but that doesn't mean they stay that way. I follow Jake right now, for instance, because he gave me a lot of good memories of this team. Doesn't mean I want him to start forever here just because I hope he does well where he is.

I'd probably follow D-Will after he left the Panthers. Would I buy a jersey for his new team? Unlikely, but I wouldn't say "NEVER!", and I'd NEVER boo the next starter just 'cause they got the starting job... but I am a fan of the team before any player and always hope the Panthers do well.

This thread reminds me of those jerks who booed Aaron Rodgers just for becoming the starting quarterback, or those Green Bay fans who went out and bought No. 4 Vikings jerseys.

Sure, they were few, but those sorts of people are out there.

Well, booing Aaron Rodgers is retarded. On the other hand, I think if a person REALLY likes Favre, there isn't a whole lot wrong with getting his jersey. May just be me, though.

edit: I would never pretend to be a Browns fan, though, which I think is your point. Still, even if D-Will leaves or whatever, I'd still follow him and though I wouldn't be a fan of his team, I may end up with some of his stuff just because family know I like the guy but don't understand a whole ton about football

[Proudiddy]

Honestly, I was born in NC *before the Panthers, raised in NC *before the Panthers, played HS football in NC *In Thomasville, NC, against Brad Hoover, went to college in NC *shortly after the Panthers, and have been excited and proud since there was an NFL team in NC. However, I feel personally insulted by this thread.

I found a Panther forum, or decided to contribute to a Panther forum, later than others, so I'm a "troll", or "bandwagon", or whatever, because of a player? So what? What if it were true? If I pulled for the Panthers tomorrow because my brother was signed, or my favorite player, or some guy that I thought was a great player, or role model, or just a cool guy... Is that not enough to accept? Some Panther fans are not "fan" enough?

WTF, over?

If you began pulling for the team pretty much since its inception, then why would you feel insulted by this thread?

I'm not saying if you joined the board to discuss the Panthers b/c a player you were pulling for came here makes you a troll. It's more about how and what you post. If every post and thread you make is about that player and how he is infinitely better than the other option, even though that hasn't been proven, that's trolling.

And I would think that if your favorite college player came here part of you would grow some loyalty to the the team... In the case of the poster I mentioned in the OP, this guy hasn't been to the board since the day we named Moore the starter... Seriously man... That's ridiculous. It didn't mean Clausen would never see the field again, and most likely, he'll be on the team for good or for bad through the end of his rookie contract, but you just stop posting b/c he was benched? No need to justify it or argue against it?

That's trolling. I don't know what's insulting about that.