So maybe they were right.

[Davidson Deac II]

Btw, I think the score was 10-10 when Smith went out.

[Pimpdaddy]

This is not a "I told you so thread" at all. Cause I had some doubts.

However, maybe Hurney and JR were not being 100% cheap, and were being honest when they said that they thought that they had talent at the WR position when they were asked about bringing in a veteran.

Maybe we still should have, maybe we would be 2-4, or 3-3. But maybe not.

Its still very early, and it is only 1 good game by Gettis and LaFell, but I believe these guys showed why, during training camp, Hurney thought they could get the job done with competent QB play.

Maybe Hurney CAN draft a WR. Either way, he stuck to his guns, good for him.

I am optimistic, but I know the pessimists will say that JR was being cheap, and it just worked out for them for one week.

I am willing to go through the growing pains with these receivers, as long as I see progress.

If these guys can continue to get better, which is a BIG if. We may have a solid, cheap core for years to come.

This is why you dont judge rookies after 5 weeks, but at the same time this is why you dont say that they are gonna be great after ONE game. But, we do know what they are capable of.

It would be nice if Gettis and Lafell would turn out great but what about if Devin Thomas works into the mix which is possible. Where is that going to leave Edwards and the waste of a 2nd round pick. Hurney is throwing bodies at the position just like he did with the running backs. A blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

[eViL jEsTeR]

maybe if Fox didn't bench Moore in week 2.....we would be 2-4 or 3-3.

fox didn't bench jake soon enough.

he shouldn't have benched matt for similar play? clausen stunk it up. now, against one of the worst teams in the league, we manage a closing moments field goal win and suddenly matt is god again.

i think we'll see matt back to average play when we face better teams.

our whole problem this year is 2 things and only two things.

1. poor OL play early due to loss of starting right tackle which caused movement of right guard out of position and starting non starter at right guard. this means the entire right side was weak. this hurt pass protection and run blocking which hurt both QB's and our running game.

2. poor play by rookie WR's. inexperience across the board with smith out is impossible to overcome.

why we played well sunday.... after several weeks, our O line is building experience and so are our receivers. Also, and most importantly, the dwayne jarrett experiment is finally over! with smith back, gettis had a great opportunity to shine and lafell even had a change to show his potential.

this rebuilding process can be limited to 1 1/2 years if we do one thing.... DRAFT HEAVY ON THE OFFENSIVE LINE. we're old and fragile. our defense is ready, our run game is ready, our recievers will be beasts by next season and the only missing piece is a better than average OL. ours is worse than average. take advantage of this upcoming draft and get not one but TWO OL in the first two picks!!!! we should be picking in the top 10 so we should get a top 3 or 4 tackle. the loss of our #2 for worthless edwards really hurt us.

i can see us winning only 2 or 3 games this year, picking in the top 5 and making a serious run for the division and the playoffs next year and i'm about as pesimistic as you can get about this team so i see this rebuilding to have the potential to be a very short one, not a 3-5 year plan. we could hit our stride mid season next year, benefit from a soft schedule by being bad this year, and win 10 or more games next year.

[Mr. Scot]

I think it can be argued successfully that benching Moore was justified, given the circumstances.

With that said though, Moore was far from the only problem. Fox could just as easily have made the decision to ride it out, and that may have worked as well (impossible to know).

Bottom Line for me: I hate, hate hate playing musical quarterbacks. Pick a guy and stick with him.

The team is young, and parts of it aren't very good right now. That's just a sad truth, and putting musical chairs under center doesn't make it any better.

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[PantherFanForLife]

I think it can be argued successfully that benching Moore was justified, given the circumstances.

With that said though, Moore was far from the only problem. Fox could just as easily have made the decision to ride it out, and that may have worked as well (impossible to know).

Bottom Line for me: I hate, hate hate playing musical quarterbacks. Pick a guy and stick with him.

The team is young, and parts of it aren't very good right now. That's just a sad truth, and putting musical chairs under center doesn't make it any better.

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The opposite could also be argued successfully. The likelyhood that Matt could have bounced back and played better his 3rd, 4th and 5th consecutive start, and us being better than 1-5 is just as high as him having an epiphany.

In fact if you do believe in consistency, as you say, then you can't possibly rule out that him remaining the starter from the get go, could have given us better results and better QB playing during the games where we started Jimmy.

What's done is done, but I don't agree for one second that Matt wouldn't have improved by starting and practicing with the team just like he did by being on the bench and practicing with the team. I can't help but think we could have squeezed at least ONE more win out of our first 5 with Matt starting all 5.

[Mr. Scot]

The opposite could also be argued successfully. The likelyhood that Matt could have bounced back and played better his 3rd, 4th and 5th consecutive start, and us being better than 1-5 is just as high as him having an epiphany.

I believe I said that.

Moore was far from the only problem. Fox could just as easily have made the decision to ride it out, and that may have worked as well (impossible to know).

[Razeyfingers]

Belittling a team who you beat is laughable and it always has been considered so. Ask any pro's how easy it is to get a win in this league. So much prep goes into every game, you spend the entire week studying tendencies and how to exploit or overcome them. To get a W and then say "oh ya it was easy" is like a cardiologist finishing a heart transplant and going "yep everything was where I expected it to be, it was easy".

nothing is easy in the Pro's, theyre all fuggin pro's.

[pantherclaw]

It would be nice if Gettis and Lafell would turn out great but what about if Devin Thomas works into the mix which is possible. Where is that going to leave Edwards and the waste of a 2nd round pick. Hurney is throwing bodies at the position just like he did with the running backs. A blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

Why would you assume that devin thomas has an edge over edwards? Cause he has been a receiver longer? That would require ignoring the fact that edwards has been with the team longer, is faster, and would plays a different role as a receiver.

Thomas is on the outside looking in.

He's going to have to bust his ass to even get a jersey, let alone play time. There is also no promise he'll be will even be with the team next year.

So stop assuming poo that ya don't know. You won't even have an idea for a long long time.

[koolkatluke]

I believe I said that.

Don't worry you say anything Pffl thinks is a shot against matt and he jumps on you without reading and understanding your post. All he saw was the 1st line of your post and jumped into protect mode like a mother bear guarding her cub.

It might not been the best move 2 bench Moore but everything he has said since. Makes it seem like he thought he needed it."I was putting 2 much pressure on myself" , "I needed the time 2 look at myself and see what I was doing wrong". Sounds like a person who needed 2 sit for a minute.

[Mr. Scot]

Don't worry you say anything Pffl thinks is a shot against matt and he jumps on you without reading and understanding your post. All he saw was the 1st line of your post and jumped into protect mode like a mother bear guarding her cub.

It might not been the best move 2 bench Moore but everything he has said since. Makes it seem like he thought he needed it."I was putting 2 much pressure on myself" , "I needed the time 2 look at myself and see what I was doing wrong". Sounds like a person who needed 2 sit for a minute.

I'm firmly against benching an established starter temporarily. If you sit a guy down, leave him there, but don't sit him unless you're prepared to make his replacement permanent. If you don't, the result is a revolving door at the QB spot, and generally a disaster.

With that said, Moore doesn't really fit the definition of an "established starter". He'd been playing as a substitute starter in every game prior to this season, and was only two games into this season when he sat. So yes, he was named the starter, but was still in the process of proving he deserved it.

Benching might have been a mistake, or might have been just what he needed to get his head on straight. It's all pretty speculative really. For my part, as long as he plays well, he should stay. I just don't want us playing "musical quarterbacks".

[koolkatluke]

I'm firmly against benching an established starter temporarily. If you sit a guy down, leave him there, but don't sit him unless you're prepared to make his replacement permanent. If you don't, the result is a revolving door at the QB spot, and generally a disaster.

With that said, Moore doesn't really fit the definition of an "established starter". He'd been playing as a substitute starter in every game prior to this season, and was only two games into this season when he sat. So yes, he was named the starter, but was still in the process of proving he deserved it.

Benching might have been a mistake, or might have been just what he needed to get his head on straight. It's all pretty speculative really. For my part, as long as he plays well, he should stay. I just don't want us playing "musical quarterbacks".

I would agree but this has happen before. The year Mcnabb got bench a few games came back with a vengence and V Young who was going thru a mental break down.

I also don't think it's speculative when the man himself made comments that seem 2 point in that direction. What makes me a little bit hesitant about Moore and question his leadership is Jake would never make those comments. Mcnabb after he got bench never agreed that it help him but Matt acts like he needed it.

I don't like the 2 headed QB thing either but for now it seem like it help Matt get some pressure off him.

[PantherFanForLife]

I would agree but this has happen before. The year Mcnabb got bench a few games came back with a vengence and V Young who was going thru a mental break down.

I also don't think it's speculative when the man himself made comments that seem 2 point in that direction. What makes me a little bit hesitant about Moore and question his leadership is Jake would never make those comments. Mcnabb after he got bench never agreed that it help him but Matt acts like he needed it.

I don't like the 2 headed QB thing either but for now it seem like it help Matt get some pressure off him.

Not true. I don't know where you are getting that from. Fox said that. Some media articles stated that. But when he was asked what it was that improved his game, he said he was "not sure".

Fox thinks it did. But Fox also stated he didn't expect Matt to agree with the decision in the first place.

If you read between the lines this seems to be Matt's way of dismissing that notion, while at the same time not wanting to go against his coach's opinion.

The only thing he said is that he felt he put too much pressure on himself the first two games and that they were pressing things too much, but he never said the benching helped him improve. Others are saying that. So yes it IS speculative.

[koolkatluke]

Not true. I don't know where you are getting that from. Fox said that. Some media articles stated that. But when he was asked what it was that improved his game, he said he was "not sure".

Fox thinks it did. But Fox also stated he didn't expect Matt to agree with the decision in the first place.

If you read between the lines this seems to be Matt's way of dismissing that notion, while at the same time not wanting to go against his coach's opinion.

The only thing he said is that he felt he put too much pressure on himself the first two games and that they were pressing things too much, but he never said the benching helped him improve. Others are saying that. So yes it IS speculative.

Wfnz.com Frank and Buck show pod cast Brent Jenson did the interview on Monday with Matt himself. This is what Brent said Matt told him. Look it up.

[PantherFanForLife]

Wfnz.com Frank and Buck show pod cast Brent Jenson did the interview on Monday with Matt himself. This is what Brent said Matt told him. Look it up.

You got a link? And that doesn't sound like it came out of Matt's mouth.

The only thing I saw from Matt on this issue was this:

The Carolina Panthers quarterback would like to say those hours in the film room were the difference between his brilliant game Sunday, a 23-20 win against San Francisco, and his turnover-marred performances in losses to the New York Giants and Tampa Bay.

But Moore admitted he's not sure what led to his career-best 308-yard passing performance against the 49ers.

"That's the million dollar question. I don't know," Moore said. "I did a lot of self-scouting when I had my time off. I was just trying to get back to the form that we were playing with last year - not just me, but everybody."

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/24/1785262/moore-found-what-he-was-looking.html#ixzz13Y3IgUgw

And his press-conference on panthers.com.

In neither one does he state what you are saying.