Matt Moore = "It's a big deal man". A leader and another reason to thank him...

[TheRealDeal]

What players defended Morgan's statements? Put a link to it, or it's not true

You find me the link with Morgan's statements in there and that'll be the same one where Hoover and others defend Moore.

Nice try.

[Catdaddy]

You find me the link with Morgan's statements in there and that'll be the same one where Hoover and others defend Moore.

Nice try.

You tell people they are full of it, and they don't know facts, but people reading these posts know who is full of it and who doesn't know the facts! A link means a lot, not fantasy stuff in someones head!

[TheRealDeal]

You tell people they are full of it, and they don't know facts, but people reading these posts know who is full of it and who doesn't know the facts! A link means a lot, not fantasy stuff in someones head!

I agree a link means a lot. So until you show me where this person said this stuff how can I dispute it? How can I disprove something you have yet to prove?

[Catdaddy]

Who are the current players that spoke out against Moore? Who are the former players that played with Moore that spoke out against him?

Dan Morgan????????????????? After that came out plenty of guys came to Moore's defense and said Morgan didn't know what he was talking about, Hoover included.

The team drafted QBs because they literally had no one on the roster besides Moore (Hunter was on the PS and not technically on the roster) and no team goes into the season with 1 QB on the roster.

They also have not secured many players long term but it is no indication of the way they feel about them.

That was one of the worst, most biased posts I have ever read on here, and that's saying something.

I was going by your facts, not mine. So you just post false stuff all the time?

[mav1234]

Gross and others said they supported Jake 100% and that he was the best option to win, not Moore. Whatever, it's funny you refuse to read between the lines when it's something tha tmight not support Moore. This was reflected in Moore being the #3 entering that season, behind Feely. At the time I believed it was just loyalty and Moore would show them, and he did. I was not saying Moore sucked, or was bad, or any of that, just that there WAS A PERCEPTION IN THE ORGANIZATION that Moore was NOT a better option. Hoover defended Moore after he was named the starter. Others said "we have faith in our backups yeah but Jake gives us the best chance to win."

This attitude of not being 100% set on Moore carried over even after his wins. They drafted a young QB in a completely different situation than GB, since Favre was anything but a young QB entering his theoretical prime as Moore was. So no, GB is not a good example of where a team did that. You've got Brees and Rivers, but nobody thought Brees would turn into, well, Brees. That is the situation I hoped for here, and I still hope for.

I think Moore is a great QB, but to say he has been met with nothing but complete and total support from everyone and yanking him after 2 games was TOTALLY CRAZZY and SUPPERR unexpected given his history is inaccurate, that's all. Not saying it was right or wrong, just saying it follows a trend of feelin' about the guy, deserved or not. (Probably not)

EDIT: I'm not bothering to provide links because this was discussed an insane amount of times last year before we finally were able to see Moore start. Morgan said some stuff about Moore that was likely not a fair characterization, other said Delhomme was best, and before Moore started Hoover spoke up in his defense.

*shrugs*

anyway yeah, let's put this to rest. I'm glad moore's getting his shot, but I would not be astonished if he got benched again if bad stuff was to happen. I hope it does not, but that's where it is. I also hope that he gets a long term contract with us if he keeps playing well, 'cause he'd deserve it.

edit2: Just to explain letting go of Delhomme: Some on this board would say it was because the coach couldn't resist starting him when anything went bad for anyone, and they wanted to move on from Delhomme. Read into that what you want about faith in Moore or not at all. Not going to argue anything more, just

[TheRealDeal]

I think Moore is a great QB, but to say he has been met with nothing but complete and total support from everyone and yanking him after 2 games was TOTALLY CRAZZY and SUPPERR unexpected given his history is inaccurate, that's all. Not saying it was right or wrong, just saying it follows a trend of feelin' about the guy, deserved or not. (Probably not)

Obviously the players are going to support who is starting. Do you think Fox really believed Jake gave them the best chance to win?

And who cares where Feely was on the depth chart because when Jake got benched Moore played, not Feely.

How do you explain letting go of Delhomme?

No one is saying he was met with complete and total support or anything, but the picture you painted was that he was the most hated, unprepared QB to ever step foot on a field and his teammates, coaches, and organization would rather him not be here and that wasn't true either, that's what made me mad.

I think the FO has screwed him and unless they Franchise or Tender him again(depending on CBA) I think he will be gone to greener pastures.

[TheRealDeal]

EDIT: I'm not bothering to provide links because this was discussed an insane amount of times last year before we finally were able to see Moore start. Morgan said some stuff about Moore that was likely not a fair characterization, other said Delhomme was best, and before Moore started Hoover spoke up in his defense.

*shrugs*

anyway yeah, let's put this to rest. I'm glad moore's getting his shot, but I would not be astonished if he got benched again if bad stuff was to happen. I hope it does not, but that's where it is. I also hope that he gets a long term contract with us if he keeps playing well, 'cause he'd deserve it.

Agree with all that

[Catdaddy]

A lot of these posts are crazy, people post them with no facts to back them up, so I hope the people reading them understand the difference between the truth and stuff out of someone's fantasy world!

[PantherFanForLife]

i'm not a clausen fan.[ EDITED]................ QB.

Ok that was a freaking autobiography. I'm not going to quote it all but rest assure I did read it all and I will summarize.

From what I understand is you are for whatever QB looks to be better for the team, but your opinion of who that might be is based a lot on who didn't have a prior poor performance. And you don't like people making assumptions of where you stand, including myself. You also have a problem with Moore fans because apparently they just make posts bashing Clausen any chance they get and keep making posts about how Moore is the greatest. Ok.

To which I respond..how the heck did you come to that conclusion because I sure as hell have not seen it around here? I mean I'm around pretty much every day so I should be seeing this flood of "I love Moore threads. I hate Clausen".

In fact up until about last week when Moore got announced as the starter again, it was quite the opposite. The majority of this forum was supporting Clausen and against Moore. There were far more threads about how Clausen is going to be the greatest, including in-depth analysises on his playing, by guys like Mr. Scott, people claiming he would be the future, etc etc while just about anyone that wanted to disagree with that and take up for Matt Moore got criticized, labeled a Clausen hater, etc etc.

You yourself are labeling me a Moore lover/Clausen hater. And I could care less but you participated in a lot of conversations in this matter, and overall I just didn't get that "objective" viewpoint that you claim you have had from your posting.

Phewwww.....

[grateflday]

So like you say playing for his job but still no pressure? That logic is terrible man. Do you think Moore would have a job if we won all those games 3-0 but Moore had 6 turnovers in each? Do you think he would have a job if we lost all those games 99-98 and Moore threw 7 TD's in each? The team's outcome as you say had no bearing on Moore but the way he played in those games had a bearing on his future and that is pressure. You say he had no pressure in the last game but you do not know that. Obviously the players think they can still make the playoffs so by your own admission there must be pressure on him.

You guys are assuming he feels no pressure and just because he didn't say it in other games doesn't mean it wasn't there.

First, Moore came out himself and said the nerves and pressure from the first two games was different than yesterday and it had effected him. Second, sure he might have nerves, etc yesterday but certain circumstances do create different levels. Its like saying a players nerves in the Superbowl are the same as when he plays during the regular season. They are not, the stakes are higher. The same/similar effects happens in all competition and yeah I do think no matter what the level is higher in week one or two vs the situation Moore found himself in yesterday and the end of last season. We just have a different opinion on the matter. I hope Moore continues to play like he did yesterday minus of course that horrible pick he threw

[PantherFanForLife]

First, Moore came out himself and said the nerves and pressure from the first two games was different than yesterday and it had effected him. Second, sure he might have nerves, etc yesterday but certain circumstances do create different levels. Its like saying a players nerves in the Superbowl are the same as when he plays during the regular season. They are not, the stakes are higher. The same/similar effects happens in all competition and yeah I do think no matter what the level is higher in week one or two vs the situation Moore found himself in yesterday and the end of last season. We just have a different opinion on the matter. I hope Moore continues to play like he did yesterday minus of course that horrible pick he threw

Ok enough of this CRAP. And I don't mean to single this post out, you are just one of the many that have this belief.

This is the problem with a whole bunch of you: unobjective comparisons taken out of context.

YES, it is true, that Matt More playing a game when the season is over like last year, is not going to be under the same amount of pressure that he would be when he is in the middle of a competition, playoffs of Superbowl. That is TRUE. I agree 100%.

But saying yesterday's game meant less pressure than the begining of the season, because you consider the season to be over and it's the same circumstance like last year IS 100% FALSE.

The difference between 0-5 this year and a shot season like last year is this:

1. Unlike last year, Matt has been benched after he had one bad performance already this year. He may not have the pressure of competition, but there is pressure of performance on him and not pulling a repeat of game 1&2.

2. The team was 0-5. There was a lot of pressure on this team winning at least game.

3. Even though, most consider the season to be over, MATHEMATICALLY, it's really not. As improbable as it may be to make the playoffs, the team is still in the race and there were 11 games to play. Anything can happen.

4. After the performance that got him benched in the beginning of the season, a second performance like that yesterday could have gotten him benched again...possibly forever ruining his reputation and career. His career was on the line more than ever.

5. The game was won by 3 points. Any game, that's that close is going to be a certain amount of pressure.

ALL of those things combined add up to quite a bit of pressure. Saying yesterdays game was meaningless for Matt or was no-pressure just because we are 0-5 is a load of crap.

Maybe it's meaningless to you. Maybe meaningless to the media. But it was not, in any shape or form meaningless or pressure-less to Matt Moore.

[rayzor]

Ok that was a freaking autobiography. I'm not going to quote it all but rest assure I did read it all and I will summarize.

From what I understand is you are for whatever QB looks to be better for the team, but your opinion of who that might be is based a lot on who didn't have a prior poor performance. And you don't like people making assumptions of where you stand, including myself. You also have a problem with Moore fans because apparently they just make posts bashing Clausen any chance they get and keep making posts about how Moore is the greatest. Ok.

To which I respond..how the heck did you come to that conclusion because I sure as hell have not seen it around here? I mean I'm around pretty much every day so I should be seeing this flood of "I love Moore threads. I hate Clausen".

In fact up until about last week when Moore got announced as the starter again, it was quite the opposite. The majority of this forum was supporting Clausen and against Moore. There were far more threads about how Clausen is going to be the greatest, including in-depth analysises on his playing, by guys like Mr. Scott, people claiming he would be the future, etc etc while just about anyone that wanted to disagree with that and take up for Matt Moore got criticized, labeled a Clausen hater, etc etc.

You yourself are labeling me a Moore lover/Clausen hater. And I could care less but you participated in a lot of conversations in this matter, and overall I just didn't get that "objective" viewpoint that you claim you have had from your posting.

Phewwww.....

you see what you want to. thats pretty obvious. i'm just going to leave it at that.

[grateflday]

Ok enough of this CRAP. And I don't mean to single this post out, you are just one of the many that have this belief.

This is the problem with a whole bunch of you: unobjective comparisons taken out of context.

YES, it is true, that Matt More playing a game when the season is over like last year, is not going to be under the same amount of pressure that he would be when he is in the middle of a competition, playoffs of Superbowl. That is TRUE. I agree 100%.

But saying yesterday's game meant less pressure than the begining of the season, because you consider the season to be over and it's the same circumstance like last year IS 100% FALSE.

The difference between 0-5 this year and a shot season like last year is this:

1. Unlike last year, Matt has been benched after he had one bad performance already this year. He may not have the pressure of competition, but there is pressure of performance on him and not pulling a repeat of game 1&2.

2. The team was 0-5. There was a lot of pressure on this team winning at least game.

3. Even though, most consider the season to be over, MATHEMATICALLY, it's really not. As improbable as it may be to make the playoffs, the team is still in the race and there were 11 games to play. Anything can happen.

4. After the performance that got him benched in the beginning of the season, a second performance like that yesterday could have gotten him benched again...possibly forever ruining his reputation and career. His career was on the line more than ever.

5. The game was won by 3 points. Any game, that's that close is going to be a certain amount of pressure.

ALL of those things combined add up to quite a bit of pressure. Saying yesterdays game was meaningless for Matt or was no-pressure just because we are 0-5 is a load of crap.

Maybe it's meaningless to you. Maybe meaningless to the media. But it was not, in any shape or form meaningless or pressure-less to Matt Moore.

First I need to learn how to multi quote posts cause the one you quoted of mine was part of several. I will say again, that I never said yesterday's game was meaningless or the season was over. I am very happy with the win and glad to see Moore play the way he ended last season. I was hoping Moore would have a great season and lead the team, but was not 100% sold he was the long term solution coming into this season and am still not going to change the opinion based on yesterday's game.

[PantherFanForLife]

you see what you want to. thats pretty obvious. i'm just going to leave it at that.

Well you are the one who said it that there are so many people making these Clausen hate/Matt Moore love threads or posts. Like I said from my experience, it's been more of the opposite around here for the past 2 months.