Focusing on coaches...why not Rip Scherer?

[MaineManPanther]

Rip's QBs consistantly throw more picks than TDs. His QBs with the exclusion of one freak year by Anderson have been consistantly bad.

The NFL recycles crap coaches at too high of a frequency. This guy did nothing with the last hyped "pro ready" QB in Quinn. Then came here and helped Jake implode........again, only reason he is here is b/c of JR not caring about this season. Makes no sense for Fox to tweak his staff.

How do you know for a fact its the coach an not the talent he was given?

[Hairless Cat]

Scherer made a manageably bad delhomme awlful, and I think has screwed up moore and is now working on clausen.

He should have left last week.

[OneBadassCat]

Delhomme had bad mechanics to begin with.

[ladypanther]

Rip's body of work here, speaks for itself. He deserves the lion's share of the blame for turning Jake into a laughingstock.

Remember Arizona. That was before Rip. Jake had severl other awful games that year.

[Anybodyhome]

Let's keep it simple:

Name a single QB who is/was enjoying any success while under the tutelage of Scherer?

Name all those who have failed or are well on their way down while under the same coach?

Brady Quinn

Derek Anderson

Jake in Charlotte

Matt Moore (after Scherer arrived)

Clausen

Jake was really pretty much okay, never great, but okay until Scherer started screwing with his mechanics. Moore was pretty good until Scherer got a hold of him as well.

[Dpantherman]

So Rip made Jake suck? get real folks. Is Rip still his QB coach? what has done in Cleveland besides suck and get hurt?

[Anybodyhome]

So Rip made Jake suck? get real folks. Is Rip still his QB coach? what has done in Cleveland besides suck and get hurt?

Nope, not what I said. I'm saying Jake got even worse than we thought imaginable when Scherer arrived on the scene.

[Dpantherman]

Nope, not what I said. I'm saying Jake got even worse than we thought imaginable when Scherer arrived on the scene.

not directed at you, some people still think that though.

[KillerKat]

Another failed huddle logic. Reward the incompetant. Rip needs to be fired, not promoted lmao.

[rayzor]

Another failed huddle logic. Reward the incompetant. Rip needs to be fired, not promoted lmao.

who said he needed to be promoted?

[KillerKat]

So Rip made Jake suck? get real folks. Is Rip still his QB coach? what has done in Cleveland besides suck and get hurt?

qft

In 2008 Jake had like 6 bad games. His highest number of bad games in a season. One of them against f**king Detroit! This year Jake has continued to suck in Cleveland. Getting benched in favor of Seneca Wallace and noodle arm McCoy. No one else is responsible for Jake's play but Jake himself.

[KillerKat]

who said he needed to be promoted?

sorry im on meds -__-

Only read the title lol

Fail

Ill neg myself

[Davidson Deac II]

Delhomme had bad mechanics to begin with.

Sure, but the argument is that Rip tried to fix them and ended up making things worse.

I am not sure I agree. I think maybe it was the injury that made Jake worse, moreso than the QB coach. Jake use to underthrow receivers, after the injury, it seemed that more often than not, he overthrew them. Especially last year.

[Proudiddy]

From what I saw of Jake in the preseason and his time playing before the injury this year in Cleveland, it appears to me that Rip was a HUGE part of the problem. Jake will never be the player he was during his most successful years, but he hasn't looked nearly as bad this year as he did last year. Yes, he's still thrown INTs and at very inopportune times, often leading to the opponent scoring, but he's not throwing them as frequently.

Aside from that one outstanding game Seneca had this year, I'd say Jake is still the better QB of those two with how they've looked this year.

This isn't about Jake, my point is just that Rip can make a good QB bad, and a bad QB terrible. Jake still isn't good at this point in his career, but he hasn't looked nearly as bad as he did here last year. I don't know how Derek Anderson snuck in that pro bowl season with him... Must've been wearing ear muffs during practice?

I think the best coaches build off of the tools that guys already have, rather than break them down to build them up... Look at Vince Young's progression, despite his imperfect mechanics. When asked about The Golden Calf of Bristol before the draft, Fox compared him to Bernie Kosar, who had a very unique delivery himself but played his way to a pro bowl berth and still holds the record for most completions without an INT. Jake talked about how Rip went with the "break down, build up" method to concentrate on fundamentals, so I question how effective of a coach Rip is. The results are speaking for themselves right now.

Another question I have is what's going on with Tyke? He is credited with developing Boldin and Lee Evans if I'm not mistaken, so what's going on with guys like LaFell? I'll admit, Gettis has progressed nicely, but LaFell has looked horrible.

Maybe these positional coaches are more like NBA coaches at this point rather than teachers of the game, techniques, and strategy, they are more like babysitters...