Everyone realizes that Trgovac is merely a Fox yes-man right?

[Brooklyn Bully]

75% of this board thinks it's only Trgo's fault. I mean, Buckner himself said they brought Trgo in for the SOLE reason of being Fox's puppet.

[Kevin Greene]

Del Rio was not controlled by fox.

And he was gone after only one season and did not leave on the best of terms.

So? I didn't state otherwise.

I think you're reaching here, that's all. He went from a DC to a head coach, that's why he left. No hush hush control game.

[Brooklyn Bully]

He was offered a head coaching position.

What does that have to do with him leaving HERE on bad terms? He's a good coach so he was hired. Simple as that. I do believe the same can be said about a certain someone who left here on iffy terms to go run a little team called the Colts.

[bleys]

we shall see after a new DC comes in?

You can reach, and you may be right, but ur still reaching. Fox has done some good things, minus the years with a poo ton of injuries. Bring in a new DC and see if things change. If not, the inevitable will happen.

[Kevin Greene]

What does that have to do with him leaving HERE on bad terms? He's a good coach so he was hired. Simple as that. I do believe the same can be said about a certain someone who left here on iffy terms to go run a little team called the Colts.

Here's how I remember it.

The Jacksonville Jaguars were looking for a coach who could relate to the players and put fans back in the seats. They hired Jack Del Rio, a whirlwind of a guy who played linebacker in the NFL and sometimes looks as if he wishes he still did.

Jaguar owner Wayne Weaver made the Carolina Panthers defensive coordinator and former USC All-American the second coach in team history Thursday replacing the fired Tom Coughlin, team spokesman Dan Edwards said.

Del Rio, 39, becomes the second-youngest coach in the NFL behind Tampa Bay’s Jon Gruden.

Del Rio was a surprise candidate, but one Weaver couldn’t resist after a four-hour interview with him earlier this week, at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala.

“When you look a guy in the eye and the chemistry’s there, you know you’ve got your guy,” Weaver told WJXT-TV in Jacksonville.

In Del Rio’s single season as coordinator for the Panthers, he helped them improve from 31st in the league to second in defense.

So excited is Weaver about showing off his new coach, he decided to make Del Rio’s introductory news conference a public event. He’ll hold it today at the stadium in Jacksonville and is inviting fans to attend.

Del Rio becomes the fourth former USC player to become an NFL head coach, joining Tennessee’s Jeff Fisher, Seattle’s Mike Holmgren and the New York Giants’ Jim Fassel.

At USC, Del Rio was a first-team All-American in 1984 and won the Pop Warner Award as the top senior on the West Coast. Del Rio also was runner-up for the Lombardi Award as the nation’s best linebacker and was the starting catcher for the 1984 Trojan baseball team that featured Mark McGwire and Randy Johnson.

In the NFL, Del Rio played 11 seasons with New Orleans, Kansas City, Dallas and Minnesota, and made the Pro Bowl in 1994.

31st defense to 2nd in one year. I don't remember any problems between Fox and del Rio that year, he was offered a better job and took it. Maybe the bad terms were due to him leaving, I don't recall that. Don't really care.

[Mr. Scot]

Heard this suggested before, but it doesn't jibe with what's happened the past two seasons.

Both years have seen Fox take a more active role in the defensive meetings and game planning (this per Darin Gantt, with current players as his source).

If Trgovac is already just a puppet, why would this even be necessary?

[Scutty]

It must bring a certain amount of pressure being a DC when the HC himself was also a DC surely

[Sam Mills Fan]

Heard this suggested before, but it doesn't jibe with what's happened the past two seasons.

Both years have seen Fox take a more active role in the defensive meetings and game planning (this per Darin Gantt, with current players as his source).

If Trgovac is already just a puppet, why would this even be necessary?

I don't see the correlation. All that shows is that Fox has become even MORE controlling over the past two seasons. Has nothing to do with whether or not he thinks Trgovac isn't doing as he's told.

[Snake]

IDK if he has become more controlling or not. We didnt start to play soft zones till Lewis showed up and our CBs didnt play a mile back ether. For whatever reason we seemed to fall away from the Rio way of running a D and went to a Lewis way of running one. Look at the Giants when Lewis played for them. Same damn thing as we are running now. Im just saying maybe Trgo was taking too much advice from a assistant. Or maybe Fox was.....

[jspeight49er]

wouldn't be the first time a coordinator got the blame for fox. let's think back to henning, fans were calling for his head because of the way to conservative play calling (aka halfback draws on 3rd and 20). Henning got the boot and the offense looked the same under davidson. hmmm... maybe it wasn't henning running his schemes (because what he's doing in miami is working pretty well)

[o803oVaDeR]

wouldn't be the first time a coordinator got the blame for fox. let's think back to henning, fans were calling for his head because of the way to conservative play calling (aka halfback draws on 3rd and 20). Henning got the boot and the offense looked the same under davidson. hmmm... maybe it wasn't henning running his schemes (because what he's doing in miami is working pretty well)

Agreed! I was thinking the same thing, but Davidson did turn it around. I am thinking they made Fox stop getting involved with the O as much. This is all speculation, I have no proof other than our new success on O. I dont think a new DC will come in here without having control over the D. The thing that worries me is there really isnt many out there. We kind of waited too long.

Who do you guys think the top prospects would be for our new DC?

[Pimpdaddy]

Dee-ta-deeeeee...

[pantherclaw]

Is Turgo a bad coach? Prolly not. He also isn't a great DC.

He's been handed the basic defensive scheme that Fox wishes to employ, yet the last two season's Fox has had to step in more.

IMO, Fox should either find a coach that can get it done at the DC position without his involvement, or just keep Trugo, and run the defense himself.

[Snake]

Is Turgo a bad coach? Prolly not. He also isn't a great DC.

He's been handed the basic defensive scheme that Fox wishes to employ, yet the last two season's Fox has had to step in more.

IMO, Fox should either find a coach that can get it done at the DC position without his involvement, or just keep Trugo, and run the defense himself.

I just dont understand how Fox's playing physical and stopping the run turned into complex soft zone coverage. At one point with AZ we were playing a 3-4 nickle with a cover 3 zone. Sorry thats not physical nor rushing 4. Really this years D didnt look like Foxs ideals at all IMO.