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Realistically is there a better movie in the history of cinema than Starship Troopers

SmootsDaddy89

By SmootsDaddy89,
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    • Yes, and I look up to akpantherfan.
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Epistaxis, isn't the fact that they refuse the nuke the planet pretense that it's a war for resources? The whole B.S. about the brain bug. They need the brain bug so they can kill the bugs, which they could do if they just nuked the planet. So why does the brain bug matter? Clearly they're just trying to save the planet.

Umm confirmation bias?

I don't think Paul's goal was to make a parallel with Iraq but more to take 1940's propaganda films to the future, thus we get Starship Troopers. The word Troopers should seal the deal on his allegory.

Of course he wasn't making parrallels with Iraq, what with this movie being made 4 years befor 9/11 and all.

The war for resources is just one interpretation that is especially poigniant now. My "Verhoeven is a Genius" comment is because he effectively predicted American post-911 diplomacy, not because that was the point of the movie. But that makes it all the more frightening that you are able to draw similarities between the U.S. and the fascist party that produced those propaganda films.

The main thing I was trying to illustrate there is that the whole assumption that the Bugs caused the asteroid to hit Earth and thus led to war seems like it is set up to be scrutinized. But again, that's your point. It's fascist propaganda.

But there are other ways to intepret it. Like the idea that the soldiers are wasting their lives to try to win a planet that conversely has no strategic or economic value (which is totally played up in the opening intro with the narrator describing how harsh an uninhabitable the planet is (So why try to take it?)). Or maybe it's an advocacy for realpolitik, not going to war for ideological reasons (You could argue that the Mormons entering the Arachnid quarantie zone and getting slaughtered was a parody of the Christian presence in the Middle East and the resultant hostilities). Or maybe it's just about splatting aliens and bewbies.

All I'm saying is that taking it at face value as a sci-fi shoot 'em up is an insult to a film that is so rich in meaning.

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Epistaxis Newbie

Epistaxis

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Dunno catpoop.

I just figured the bugs were malevolent semiretarded hive mentality drones with an evil brain at the helm, which would explain why I jumped to the conclusion that the asteroid was intentional.

I also assumed that the planners learnt the lesson of old that you can bomb all day and not clear the nest.

All in all, I got a very WWII Japanese vibe from the flick.

Including limited use of nukes. (Limited back in the day for different reasons).

And total war.

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Dunno catpoop.

I just figured the bugs were malevolent semiretarded hive mentality drones with an evil brain at the helm, which would explain why I jumped to the conclusion that the asteroid was intentional.

I also assumed that the planners learnt the lesson of old that you can bomb all day and not clear the nest.

All in all, I got a very WWII Japanese vibe from the flick.

Including limited use of nukes. (Limited back in the day for different reasons).

And total war.

Never made the Japanese connection but it does seem similar. They sneak attack us and we end up nuking them.

I and some friends (all ex-military) were discussing it and couldn't stop laughing at the use of shoulder fired nukes used so casually. Even the US in the 50's had something similar that we saw at the Nuclear Weapons Museum at Sandia Labs. Link..

About the resource issue. They said the bugs were out colonizing planets and we were too. The Mormon Settlement Complex battle was a result of the 2 species clashing.

And the movie in the 90s. I remember deconstructing the movie as part of an Honors History class on German Degenerate Art.

Did someone say Degenerate?

*goes to bring Salty back*

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never seen it. gonna have to look for it cuz i like boobs

You can find that scene by itself on metacafe by typing starship troopers shower in search.

It is the only part of that movie I liked and that was even hard for me to do because of the horrible acting throughout.

Sorry but the movie blew from start to finish

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Epistaxis Newbie

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Never made the Japanese connection but it does seem similar. They sneak attack us and we end up nuking them.

I and some friends (all ex-military) were discussing it and couldn't stop laughing at the use of shoulder fired nukes used so casually. Even the US in the 50's had something similar that we saw at the Nuclear Weapons Museum at Sandia Labs. Link..

About the resource issue. They said the bugs were out colonizing planets and we were too. The Mormon Settlement Complex battle was a result of the 2 species clashing.

Did someone say Degenerate?

*goes to bring Salty back*

Ah, see I didn't even remember the colonial aspect of the movie, but I think that gem plays well in to the WWII Japanese theme I'm gonna go ahead and run with now.

Hive mentality.

De"humanize" the enemy (from both sides of the conflict).

Wage total war.

Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity sphere.

How can they be mad at us after what they did just a few years before to the Indians?

Competition for habitable planets/potential resources on other worlds.

I like it. Would have been my thesis. Just hope the prof wasn't Japanese.:o

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