Isaiah Simmons is still a free agent 6'4 240

[Mistuh Jones]

suffice it to say... you haven't seem much tape of buddy, have you? He's an athletic JAG bro. 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

We drafted the “poor man’s” version (what some called it at the time) of Simmons in Chinn, who turned out to be the better player regardless of their draft position, but we never figured out how to use him properly. 

Now, the bust version of Chinn is available so maybe we should pick him up?  

[mrcompletely11]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think what folks have to accept is that every prospect can bust. Even the "safe" ones.

sure but I think the intangibles with Walker (leadership, lockerroom etc) will bring benefits even if he doesnt completely excel on the field. 

[Swaggasaurus]

5 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I have read that he is NOT an elite edge, but to be fair to you and against my point, there is this by Mayock ( I respect Mayock):

 

I think Carter is obviously the preference even with the foot, on paper, on tape, on everywhere. But Walker played obvious passing downs largely as spy or delayed blitz. Sometimes he A gap blitzed off the snap. Could be a higher sack guy in the NFL, got to play more coverage at ILB in the big leagues and I can’t see him doing as much of that. Had he been able to pin his ears back in obvious passing situations like Carter, Green, EZ, Walker might’ve been closer to a 10+ sack player.

[Basbear]

6 hours ago, theinstrumental said:

As someone who was very loudly wrong about him before that draft: what I learned from his failure is the difference between violence and toughness.

Simmons will hit, but he doesn’t like collisions he’s not going to win. His career highlight is still blocking a kick and then walloping the defenseless kicker. But he won’t get downhill and splash a lead blocker in the hole as a box linebacker.

I could be wrong about him again, I guess. But I don’t see a role for him as a safety, and he’s not a nickel, and if he won’t/can’t do the linebacker stuff well, then I’m not sure what he’d do for us.

Of course, if we do sign him, I’ll talk myself into it immediately.

 

You got the gist of his main issue.

He plays LB or whatever on D, but hates to tackle and contact.

That's the summary. 

I normally have a wide margin of " Hey vet min/bring him for try out/maybe he changed/etc etc". But he can not be trusted, * but he did just have his "best" season. He's like those RB that refuse to run between the tackles, bounce everything outside...they too are scared of contact. That's like the whole point of NFL, he's able to trick and athlete his way for 5 years, props to him and his agent. 

Me personally I view him like virus, I wouldn't want him on film shying away from hitting while the rookies&UDFA are looking for how the Panthers do things. Plus Im the biggest sucker there is about giving former 1st, 2nd, etc another chances. Just not someone who doesn't want to play NFL and fools those with his god given gifts. 

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Not to add another layer to this, but I feel contact and hitting its the biggest problem for the NFL. I sorta agree with TEs, WRs, and RBs either going out of bounds or falling to the ground to avoid a solid hit(this goes out the window for 1st downs, SB, etc.) Like if a WR caught a deep slant and already gained 17 yards, but here comes a safety with a great angle, Im all for that WR to fall on the ground...... ugh...... But I think the opposite for my defense. I feel this topic is central sun hot and NFL has done a great job in avoiding it. Im surprised NFL is still allowed, I have huge doubts in the future. 

Edited Monday at 10:15 PM by Basbear

[blueandblackattack]

9 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Aaron Curry 2.0. Some guys check every box and still bust. Just a good reminder that there's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft.

Also a Javon Walker 2.0, all the talent but not a specialist at anything.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, blueandblackattack said:

Also a Javon Walker 2.0, all the talent but not a specialist at anything.

Same thing was said about Micah Parsons. We'll see.

[blueandblackattack]

13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Same thing was said about Micah Parsons. We'll see.

For our sake, if we do draft him, I hope you're right.

Edited 19 hours ago by blueandblackattack