Bill Barnwell Panthers mock draft trades

[theinstrumental]

All these hypothetical Carter trades make me think the national guys don’t know what Evero values in an edge player. We traded away Burns, traded up for DJ Johnson, and signed Jadeveon Clooney. We want big, edge-setting outside linebackers. I love Carter, but he’s not that guy.

[Stingray3030]

1 hour ago, rebelrouser said:

This but a more even trade down would be nice. The difference between 8 and 18 is not that great when you have the amount of needs we have.  

Gotta know what you have though - we aren't as desperate as years past to take a bad deal.  I think if we drive hard we should get at least an even trade, but I expect it to be in our favor primarily since it the 8th pick.  Top 10 should be treated as a higher value - especially depending on who is there.  If Sanders is there and a QB needy team is calling you run that bill up like the Bears did to us!  "Oh hello Steelers - 8th overall?  Oh yes we would love to trade, but it will cost you Pickens and your next 2 years of 2nds!"  (yeah right)

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

All these hypothetical Carter trades make me think the national guys don’t know what Evero values in an edge player. We traded away Burns, traded up for DJ Johnson, and signed Jadeveon Clooney. We want big, edge-setting outside linebackers. I love Carter, but he’s not that guy.

Which, in that mold, Williams is that kind of guy.

[chknwing]

I don't want Carter at 8, no way we trade up for a player that will have surgery right after the draft and sit on the bench

[Bear Hands]

Pick 8 is right at the tail end of where the draft transitions from 1st round talent to a big field of higher end 2nd round talent. 

If the guy that’s left isn't in our plans at 8, then sell the damn pick before reaching please.

Like the Seattle one.

[Waldo]

Get an extra 2nd and let them give a better pick in 2026 if it's not a mid 3rd. Teams devalue future picks too much IMO.

The trade up looks aweful. The trade back looks sexy.

[Htarnation4.0]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

This is along the lines of what I was thinking. Would even consider future draft picks if someone balks at that sort of price. 

 

 

[Peon Awesome]

I know several people are balking at the price of two 2nds to move up to 3 but the reality is that's probably market value. 

A recent very similar comp was Houston's trade up to 3 to draft Will Anderson. Same idea: move up to draft the top edge rusher after QBs go 1 and 2. What did Houston give up?

Pick 12 

Pick 33 

Next year's FIRST round pick 

Next year's 3rd round pick

 

They did get back a 4th round pick, and granted they moved up from 12 instead of 8, but that's way more than two 2nds. Especially consider our 2nd is one of the last picks of the 2nd round and theirs was at the top.

Now granted, you could easily argue we shouldn't give up that many picks with all of our holes. But you can't argue it's an unprecedented ripoff.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

I know several people are balking at the price of two 2nds to move up to 3 but the reality is that's probably market value. 

A recent very similar comp was Houston's trade up to 3 to draft Will Anderson. Same idea: move up to draft the top edge rusher after QBs go 1 and 2. What did Houston give up?

Pick 12 

Pick 33 

Next year's FIRST round pick 

Next year's 3rd round pick

 

They did get back a 4th round pick, and granted they moved up from 12 instead of 8, but that's way more than two 2nds. Especially consider our 2nd is one of the last picks of the 2nd round and theirs was at the top.

Now granted, you could easily argue we shouldn't give up that many picks with all of our holes. But you can't argue it's an unprecedented ripoff.

I don't think the argument is about the book value but about the player and the overall strength of this draft seeming to be short on elite talent. Add the fact that we have a ton of roster holes and that explains why a lot of us are against it.

[panthersphan]

4 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

I know it's irresponsible and crazy but to move from 8 to 3 and only give up next year's 2nd is pretty tempting.  Especially if both Carter and Hunter are on the board.  I've started to really like Hunter as a WR so he's grown on me a bit. 

 Very tempting 

Edited Monday at 06:05 PM by panthersphan

[Aussie Tank]

4 hours ago, theinstrumental said:

All these hypothetical Carter trades make me think the national guys don’t know what Evero values in an edge player. We traded away Burns, traded up for DJ Johnson, and signed Jadeveon Clooney. We want big, edge-setting outside linebackers. I love Carter, but he’s not that guy.

Yeah what Evaro wants is just part of it there's a good chance he's gone next year 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 hours ago, theinstrumental said:

All these hypothetical Carter trades make me think the national guys don’t know what Evero values in an edge player. We traded away Burns, traded up for DJ Johnson, and signed Jadeveon Clooney. We want big, edge-setting outside linebackers. I love Carter, but he’s not that guy.

We made a big deal about heavily involving Evero in last year's defensive roster building process and the end result was the worst defense in NFL history. I'd heavily involve him in the process again this year and be sure to NOT do what he wants to do. LOL

[kungfoodude]

21 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Yeah what Evaro wants is just part of it there's a good chance he's gone next year 

Hard to say. Depends on if the heat ratchets up on Canales. If so, I suspect the first head on the block is Evero.

[mrcompletely11]

8 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

New ESPN article where Barnwell comes up with plausible trades for every draft pick. Panthers mentioned twice; I'm including the text below. I can see the logic in both theoretical options. First one essentially trades 2 2nds (we get back a 5th too) for the right to draft Abdul Carter and when you consider our track record with recent 2nds (Brooks, Mingo, Marshall), getting the consensus best pass rusher for that doesn't seem excessive. And the 2nd option drops us back to the middle of the draft to pick up 2 extra picks and considering the drop off in talent might be minimal between 8 and 18, the extra picks is a nice opportunity to fill out the roster. What do you all think? 

 

Giants get: 1-8, 2-57, 2026 second-round pick
Panthers get: 1-3, 2026 fifth-round pick

If Ward and Sanders come off the board with the top two picks, the Giants would find themselves in a difficult predicament. The clear top player available would be Abdul Carter, but they have Brian Burns and Kayvon Thibodeaux in starting roles. They could take Travis Hunter, but after drafting wideout Malik Nabers last year and signing Paulson Adebo this offseason, they aren't crying out for help at either of Hunter's positions. He'd still be a valuable addition, but New York should be focused on a quarterback of the future and offensive line help.

The Panthers, on the other hand, have one of the league's least imposing depth charts on the edge. New signing Pat Jones II had seven sacks last season, but he had just five in three previous seasons. Jadeveon Clowney is 32 years old and in the final year of his contract. Carter would be a building block for Carolina next to Derrick Brown, who missed most of the 2024 campaign with a meniscus injury.

Giants general manager Joe Schoen is trying to add players who can help immediately in light of dismal back-to-back years, but adding a second-round pick in this draft (via the Rams) and a second-rounder in 2026 from a team that has struggled the past few years is a worthwhile risk. That Panthers second-rounder could be valuable if the Giants want to flip it later in this draft for a player who can help them this season.

 

Panthers get: 1-18, 2-50, 5-172
Seahawks get: 1-8

While quarterback Bryce Young improved over the second half of 2024, the Panthers are still feeling the impact of trading significant draft capital for Young and others over the past few years. In 2022, they didn't have a second-round pick because of their trade for quarterback Sam Darnold and then moved up in the third and fourth round for signal-caller Matt Corral and linebacker Brandon Smith, respectively. In 2023, the Young trade left them with just five selections, with their second-rounder going toward since-traded wideout Jonathan Mingo. In 2024, without the No. 1 overall pick, Carolina moved into the first round to draft receiver Xavier Legette, then used its second-round pick on running back Jonathon Brooks, who will miss most or all of 2025 after tearing his ACL for the second time in two years.

All of this is to say the Panthers could use extra picks. Their second-rounder is going to the Bears as the final vestige of the Young deal, although Carolina does get back a second-rounder from the Rams as part of Los Angeles' move for Braden Fiske last April. Picking up another Round 2 selection would give the Panthers front offense a chance to add multiple impact players along the line of scrimmage.

 

On the other side of this deal, it's not like Seahawks general manager John Schneider to make a major move up the board, but with five top-100 picks, he has the capital to be aggressive. A move up here would get Seattle ahead of the Bears, 49ers and Dolphins for much-needed help at offensive tackle. Adding Armand Membou could give the Seahawks the option of starting the rookie at guard before eventually moving him outside or kicking Abraham Lucas inside. Will Campbell could also be in play.

No offense but that makes no sense for seattle to give that much up for a guard or right tackle.  There will be options for them at 18