..............And Justice for Few.

[koolkatluke]

It's always better to win games. You are trying to sacrifice the experience other players need so Jimmy can get experience and that doesn't benefit the team.

Assuming Moore is gone (which isn't a guarantee) and Jimmy has played this whole year and we go 3-13. We find out Jimmy isn't the answer. Based on how Jimmy has played thus far our receivers aren't likely to develop much. We must rely on the run even more. Our RBs have an extra year or wear and tear on them. Now we draft another QB with a "top 3" pick and have another year of development. Same scenario plays out where receivers aren't able to develop and RBs are yet another year older. Defense is another year older.

So you tell me, what is really best for the team? I am going to choose winning games any day of the week.

Wait has Matt had a TD this year 2 anybody other then Smith? So who has Matt develop into a wr before and what makes you think he can develop wr?

In your mind does Matt = Peyton Manning?

No it's not good 2 win games not make the playoffs and have more ? marks next year.

Yes Matt is gone you can only come up with one senario where he gets RESIGNed. Take this team 2 the playoffs. Do you really think this will happen?

[ChucktownK]

[TheRealDeal]

Wait has Matt had a TD this year 2 anybody other then Smith? So who has Matt develop into a wr before and what makes you think he can develop wr?

In your mind does Matt = Peyton Manning?

No it's not good 2 win games not make the playoffs and have more ? marks next year.

Yes Matt is gone you can only come up with one senario where he gets RESIGNed. Take this team 2 the playoffs. Do you really think this will happen?

I didn't say he can develop a WR but he does throw the ball downfield more (you can't argue that) and WR need to get that experience of having football's thrown their way. Jimmy likes to dump the ball off but that doesn't help our WR grow.

No, Matt does not = Peyton.

Here we disagree. I think it's good to win games (I like how you are starting to put 2 instead of "to" or "too" because you can't figure out which one to use) because it lifts team morale and teaches the young players what it takes to win games in the NFL.

Also, if we are going to "open up the wallet" in free agency like some have suggested it's better to have some wins the prior season. No good free agent wants to come to a team with a rookie QB that can't win games.

What happens if Matt gets this team to 8-8 and he is resigned for next year? I'm not saying that will happen but just a question.

Also, please take a little extra time on your posts and put some thought into them instead of coming back with some outlandish question for me or statement from yourself.

[koolkatluke]

You "know" Matt is gone just like so many "knew" last week that Jimmy was going to be the starter against the 49ers just like you "know" Jimmy is the future of the franchise.

Reality check.

You DON'T know wether Matt will or will not be here next year.

Yes I do know (you don't) I see it's an unrealitic task 2 ask Matt not only 2 end the season with a winning record but 2 also save Fox's job. Which is the only way he gets resigned back.

You DON'T know wether Jimmy will be here next year.

Yes I do he has 3 years left on a contract and unless he dies or suffers a carear ending injury. He will be here in some capacity next year. So wrong again.

You list speculations as fact. You list forum mantra as fact. You list majority or general opinion as fact. None of those are FACTS.

When you can tell me a situation when a incoming HC and staff decided 2 resign the Qb from the year before of a losing team then it will not be a fact. But you won't because it has never happened. So it will continue 2 be a fact.

Plus i also use past history 2 back up my comments.

New coaching staff will always give a shot 2 a highly drafted player with a multi year contract from the year before.

Exp. Jason campbell lasted longer then 2 head coaches.

And most of what many around here go around stating as facts, don't turn out to be so.

You always stat fact right???

Oh and one more thing, on your backwards way of thinking that we should be throwing away the season with 11 games to play because it will be better for the team in the long run. Let me share with you a couple of other interesting facts:

Our owner gave up in the offseason. Our HC is now deflecting blame off himself a sign that he has no faith in this team and trying 2 save his face 2 other teams and owners. Plus we have injuries 2 the people who we couldn't afford 2 have injuries. Again I'm being realistic maybe you sholud try it.

The Lions, 49ers, Browns, and Bills have had TOP DRAFT picks for like the past decade. Do you see that bringing any of those teams success?

The Browns and the Bills owners have been cheap for a long time. Lions and 49ers have had bad mang. for years. We have always hit on our 1st round picks lately why should that change? Last time we had a top 3 pick we used it on JP and turned a 1-15 team into a superbowl team 2 years later.

The Patriots and Colts have had bottom draft pics for decades and they CONTINUE to remain 2 of the dominant teams in this league. In fact it was their dominance that put them in such great position to trade for draft pics, or make great off-season acquisitions for PROVEN players that has kept them strong year after year.

What does that tell you?

They have Franchise QB that can rise above some faults of their teams. We don't have that and no matter how much you like matt he is no Peyton or Brady. They will always have a chance because their systems and their QB are so good.

[koolkatluke]

I didn't say he can develop a WR but he does throw the ball downfield more (you can't argue that) and WR need to get that experience of having football's thrown their way. Jimmy likes to dump the ball off but that doesn't help our WR grow.

No, Matt does not = Peyton.

Here we disagree. I think it's good to win games (I like how you are starting to put 2 instead of "to" or "too" because you can't figure out which one to use) because it lifts team morale and teaches the young players what it takes to win games in the NFL.

Also, if we are going to "open up the wallet" in free agency like some have suggested it's better to have some wins the prior season. No good free agent wants to come to a team with a rookie QB that can't win games.

What happens if Matt gets this team to 8-8 and he is resigned for next year? I'm not saying that will happen but just a question.

Seriously how likely is that 2 happen?

Also, please take a little extra time on your posts and put some thought into them instead of coming back with some outlandish question for me or statement from yourself.

I think it's outlandish for you 2 put so much pressure on a 4 year undrafted QB and a rookie 2 make a playoff team out of the crap that Jerry built this year.

PS. 3 or 4 wins are not going 2 make anybody feel good about themselves.

[TheRealDeal]

Alright man I'm done with you until you can show me a drivers license. When I read your posts all I see is a youngster that hasn't been around long enough to comprehend anything so I'll let you win all the arguments from now on because I honestly get sad reading your posts.

[koolkatluke]

Alright man I'm done with you until you can show me a drivers license. When I read your posts all I see is a youngster that hasn't been around long enough to comprehend anything so I'll let you win all the arguments from now on because I honestly get sad reading your posts.

Good you're not a panther fan anyway.:yesnod:

[ChucktownK]

[PantherFanForLife]

They have Franchise QB that can rise above some faults of their teams. We don't have that and no matter how much you like matt he is no Peyton or Brady. They will always have a chance because their systems and their QB are so good.

Why in the world would Matt need to be Peyton or Brady to be offered a new contract?

And let me get this right. You are saying even if Matt goes out there and plays good for the remainder of the season, winning his share of games, and let's say Jimmy doesn't show enough improvement and turns out to be just average.....

...we're going to let Matt go and............and do what?

Start Jimmy even though he hasn't improved? Draft another Rookie QB and start another gamble? Sign some OTHER QB when when we can just keep Matt?

Where is your logic?

PS: Since when has a contract guaranteed that a player plays on a team the following year? Did you not notice what happened to Delhomme and his contract? And Jimmy's contract is peanuts in comparison. If Jimmy turns out to be dead weight, they will find a way to get rid of him contract or no contract. All a contract guarantees is the money agreed upon if you stay with the team and complete your duty for the time period. If they want you gone they can settle with you for a sum. It never guaranteed that you actually stay with that team for those years in the contract. They have plenty of ways to get rid of you if they really want to.

[mav1234]

If Moore has a decent year, the new coach may bring him back in, but would likely bring in others to compete at the position too.

edit: Clausen would have to majorly suck it up to get cut with a new coach though imo.

[PantherFanForLife]

If Moore has a decent year, the new coach may bring him back in, but would likely bring in others to compete at the position too.

edit: Clausen would have to majorly suck it up to get cut with a new coach though imo.

Not really. All he would have to do is suck it up and have a serious enough injruy, to the point where he would be a liability even as a third stringer. Not that I wish that on him, or any player, but in that situation...a sucky player with an injury that takes time to recover is usually just let go with a settlement.

Anyway the point is, there is no certainty about who will stay and who will go next year and certainly NO guarantee. Depending on what happens the rest of this season, Matt Moore has just as big a chance of being the new franchise QB as does Jimmy. In fact I'd say if he finishes this season strong he's a lot closer to that right now.

[mav1234]

...ok, yeah. Let's say Moore breaks his leg, he's probably not coming back, either.

We could create an infinite number of scenarios in which a player performs gets injured etc... kinda silly.

Moore has a chance but heh as to play much better than he has this year. That much is obvious to anyone.

[PantherFanForLife]

...ok, yeah. Let's say Moore breaks his leg, he's probably not coming back, either.

We could create an infinite number of scenarios in which a player performs gets injured etc... kinda silly.

Moore has a chance but heh as to play much better than he has this year. That much is obvious to anyone.

Like I said, nothing is set in stone like batboy over there wants to believe it is.

[mav1234]

the fact remains that Moore is far less likely to be on the roster next year compared to Clausen. That does not mean that he won't make it, just less likely.

edit: and I do hope he makes the most of this opportunity. Call me what you want, I have absolutely no malice towards Moore and I'd be just as happy if he turned out to be "the future" as if it was Clausen. Hell, I'd just settle for him playing well and not making so many mistakes.