Potential Head Coaches

[Mr. Scot]

I've beaten on the guy plenty. They've struggled, 31st and 27th the last two years passing with some good options. Sure, with a rook, but those are near the basement. Under Mangini he never bested the top half of the league even with Favre. Their offense got specifically better with Callahan in 08, and I stand behind him making a big difference. You can't have both guys, of course.

He learned some things from plenty of guys who have had success - his father, Cam Cameron, Callahan, Ryan.

Makes sense in the idea of being young, running the ball. He doesn't have Ryan's swagger and I don't know if what they do works without that. He also doesn't have the knowledge of the 46 to make that happen here. He doesn't have much experience without his father,

There's always the "what if Mangini gets fired" thing, and well, no, it's not a better proposition if you add Mangini or the 3-4.

I saw the list, and if Schwartz is fired, he'd be my next favorite behind Meeks to be our DC. Guy's a legit asset. And while Fisher's a 46 guy, Schwartz's approach to defense isn't overly complex for the heat it brings. He's a hell of a tactician and statistician who may not be working out at the head coach level but if he doesn't get another year, would be an excellent coordinator again.

I'd love to have Schwartz as a DC.

And thanks, you reminded me of a point I meant to make about Schott but forgot (doh)

[scpanther22]

Sean McDermott could be on his way out in Philly

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/27/sean-mcdermott-could-be-on-his-way-out-in-philly/

update

CSN Philly's Reuben Frank disputes a report by ESPN's Sal Paolantonio that Eagles defensive coordinator Sean McDermott's job is in jeopardy

Nothing could be further from the truth.

A high-ranking official in the Eagles’ front office said this week that Andy Reid’s faith in McDermott hasn’t wavered a bit and said there’s no imaginable scenario in which McDermott would be fired during or after the season.

http://www.csnphilly.com/10/28/10/Eagles-Faith-in-McDermott-Remains-High/landing_eagles.html?blockID=341199&feedID=692

[Bj-monster56]

Okay Mr. Scot I have to challenge you just a very little Bit. Carolina is an Rebuilding team.. If the defense is so good, how come they give up at least 2 touchdowns at the beginning of the game each game this year.Carolina is ranked 24 in the League against the Run and 4 against the Pass..WE have No pass rush and we only have 5 sacks this whole season. Johnson has 3 of them.Or offense is weak thats the truth our Offensive woes is actually hidden our defensive woes.Look at the big Picture we are an base 4-3 team that cant stop the run and that cant apply pressure. We have No d-line and our best linebacker is on the weak side.We had a secondary year player in Everett Brown who really hasnt produce anything this year.he is Not a DE because he is Very Undersize at 6'1 256.He is more of an 3-4 rush OLB.We run a 4-3 but dont get any pressure the purpose 4 the 4-3 is to get pressure with you line but if you have no line the 4-5 is no use.With Johnson been a free Agent also Anderson and couple more on defense it might be the right time to make the switch. Just Think we are Rebuilding anyway we are at least 2 to 3 years from been able to be a contender in the playoffs..

[Catdaddy]

Be careful unless you want herpes

[Mr. Scot]

Good QB and OC's are working out good in Chicago to people.

Ummmm...What? :confused:

Honestly, I'm not convinced we'd be rolling over teams with a different QB. You can't have much better QB play than we had with Moore last Sunday. Not taking anything away from him OR the win, but we still only beat the 49ers by 3. It's not like with stellar QB play we blew people away. This is a team built to run. Sure, if we had great QB play week in week out we'd do better, people might even respect the run, but the way the team was playing earlier in the season I'm not convinced QB is our only issue.

Pretty much. We're not really built to run up the score.

I think it's speculation to say we'd have a winning record with Flacco as our QB. Honestly, look at their WR corps and how their running game has been doing... AND THE COACHING... it's not like Flacco is dragging the teams to wins week in, week out.

What's that head coach's last name again? I've forgotten :sosp:

AT LAST, THE TRUTH COMES OUT... MR. SCOT IS COPYING.... oh wait. Mr. Scot.

darn.

I copy from that guy a lot (several times in this thread).

[scpanther22]

Okay Mr. Scot I have to challenge you just a very little Bit. Carolina is an Rebuilding team.. If the defense is so good, how come they give up at least 2 touchdowns at the beginning of the game each game this year.Carolina is ranked 24 in the League against the Run and 4 against the Pass..WE have No pass rush and we only have 5 sacks this whole season. Johnson has 3 of them.Or offense is weak thats the truth our Offensive woes is actually hidden our defensive woes.Look at the big Picture we are an base 4-3 team that cant stop the run and that cant apply pressure. We have No d-line and our best linebacker is on the weak side.We had a secondary year player in Everett Brown who really hasnt produce anything this year.he is Not a DE because he is Very Undersize at 6'1 256.He is more of an 3-4 rush OLB.We run a 4-3 but dont get any pressure the purpose 4 the 4-3 is to get pressure with you line but if you have no line the 4-5 is no use.With Johnson been a free Agent also Anderson and couple more on defense it might be the right time to make the switch. Just Think we are Rebuilding anyway we are at least 2 to 3 years from been able to be a contender in the playoffs..

The Bills are rebuilding..I would not call what were doing rebuilding.

I would call it cost cutting for this year. But we could make a quick turn around

[Mr. Scot]

update

CSN Philly's Reuben Frank disputes a report by ESPN's Sal Paolantonio that Eagles defensive coordinator Sean McDermott's job is in jeopardy

http://www.csnphilly.com/10/28/10/Eagles-Faith-in-McDermott-Remains-High/landing_eagles.html?blockID=341199&feedID=692

Florio was off? The devil, you say

In fairness, Florio was getting that from another source, and I doubt it's the kind of thing the eagles would admit if it were true.

Don't know. It's definitely something to watch.

[Catdaddy]

What coach has more titles than the rest thats coaching now?

[Bj-monster56]

Oh No Carolina is a rebuilding team you can call it cost cutting or Wateva..But the team is rebuilding any time you start a new Youth Movement you are kind of in a rebuilding Process.We dont have a QB witch We never Had.Like they say if its not working strip it.And thats what carolina bascially did.The team that we have we cant really win a superbowl with it so thats why we cut loses.Now we are Rebuilding to something thats New.And Next year with a New Coach should set the tone 2 things 2 come In carolina. FIRST THING FIRST IS WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF WE ARE GOING TO BE AN GREAT OFFENSIVE TEAM OR AN GREAT dEFENSIVE TEAM. Who ever our coach be will let you know.

[Mr. Scot]

Okay Mr. Scot I have to challenge you just a very little Bit. Carolina is an Rebuilding team.. If the defense is so good, how come they give up at least 2 touchdowns at the beginning of the game each game this year.Carolina is ranked 24 in the League against the Run and 4 against the Pass..WE have No pass rush and we only have 5 sacks this whole season. Johnson has 3 of them.Or offense is weak thats the truth our Offensive woes is actually hidden our defensive woes.Look at the big Picture we are an base 4-3 team that cant stop the run and that cant apply pressure. We have No d-line and our best linebacker is on the weak side.We had a secondary year player in Everett Brown who really hasnt produce anything this year.he is Not a DE because he is Very Undersize at 6'1 256.He is more of an 3-4 rush OLB.We run a 4-3 but dont get any pressure the purpose 4 the 4-3 is to get pressure with you line but if you have no line the 4-5 is no use.With Johnson been a free Agent also Anderson and couple more on defense it might be the right time to make the switch. Just Think we are Rebuilding anyway we are at least 2 to 3 years from been able to be a contender in the playoffs..

We could debate all day as to whether the team is rebuilding or not. It's really splitting hairs.

Pretty hard to dispute is that the defense is better than the offense right now, though. And for the Panthers, that's par for the course.

With that situation in place, there's some decent logic behind getting an offensive coach.

That said, defense isn't perfect. Fundamentals (especially tackling) need some work. So whether it's a defensive coach or an offensive coach with a new DC, I hope there's some emphasis on fixing those issues.

[magnus]

I'd love to have Schwartz as a DC.

And thanks, you reminded me of a point I meant to make about Schott but forgot (doh)

Both guys have some philosophical ties to our current philosophy. Right now anyone tied to a 3-4 seems like a major disadvantage.

I'll be back in later. Portions of this are making it tough to follow the thread.

[Bj-monster56]

So who is your top 5 candiates Mr. Scot..?? And good valid Point..

[Mr. Scot]

Both guys have some philosophical ties to our current philosophy. Right now anyone tied to a 3-4 seems like a major disadvantage.

I'll be back in later. Portions of this are making it tough to follow the thread.

I'm shocked

You've inspired me to do a little breakdown on expected philosophies. It'll be somewhat speculative, but hey, so's the whole discussion :sosp:

So who is your top 5 candiates Mr. Scot..?? And good valid Point..

The best description of my current state of mind is still here.

[Mr. Scot]

Predicted offensive and defensive philosophies of coaching candidates based on their current jobs and prior histories:

Leslie Frazier: West Coast Offense, 4-3 Defense

Jim Harbaugh: Conventional Offense, 3-4 Defense

Mike Zimmer: Conventional Offense, 4-3 Defense

Sean McDermott: West Coast Offense, 4-3 Defense

Ron Rivera: Conventional Offense, 3-4 Defense Offense, 4-3 Defense

Russ Grimm: Conventional Offense, 3-4 Defense

Winston Moss: West Coast Offense, 4-3 Defense

Mike Heimerdinger: Conventional Offense, 4-3 Defense

Keith Butler: Conventional Offense, 3-4 Defense

Brian Schottenheimer: Conventional Offense, 3-4 Defense

NOTES:

Zimmer, Rivera and Moss are all currently involved with 3-4 defenses, but their roots are in the 4-3. My belief is that they'd return to those roots given head coaching jobs, but it's also quite possible they'd become 3-4 converts.

Harbaugh's current DC is Vic Fangio and the 3-4 is the chosen approach by his brother Jack in Baltimore, so it's possible he'd go 3-4. But prior to Fangio's arrival this season the Stanford defense was a 4-3, so it's no lock. he could just as easily go the other way.

McDermott is the only one I'd say is a lock for a West Coast approach. Frazier and Moss are likely because of their current teams, but it's nowhere near as certain as for McDermott.

You could expect offenses under Russ Grimm or Keith Butler to be run-heavy in the Steeler mold. Grimm might not be quite as tied to the 3-4 as Butler, but I still think it's where he'd go.

The idea of Schottenheimer going 3-4 is mainly based on his time under Rex Ryan, but he's seen his share of 4-3 as well and it's not an absolute lock which he'd pick.