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Potential Head Coaches


Mr. Scot

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re: frazier, one thing i keep thinking about are comments that darren sharper made that mr. scot brought up a while back.

Lemme give you a prime example why it makes a difference.

In an article from this year's SI season preview, Peter King wrote about a conversation he had with Darren Sharper of the Saints. Sharper related a discussion he had with Gregg Williams regarding his former team's scouting tendencies prior to the NFC Championship game.

Sharper said that the Viking coaches didn't generally put all that much time into film analysis. Their belief was that a knowledge of players and general tendencies was enough. Because of that, Sharper believed there were certain things the Saints could do that would catch the Vikes completely off guard. One of them was blitzing through the "A" gaps (near the middle) and sure enough, when the Saints sent Sharper up the middle on a blitz, it resulted in a bone-crunching hit on Favre, one that was a "difference maker" in the overall game.

On the flipside, long-time Steeler guru Dick Lebeau said that he changes about 20% of his defensive playbook every single year, even if the stuff they've been doing in the past was working wonders. LeBeau does it in the interest of being unpredictable. He expects opposing coaches to scout the Steeler defense and their tendencies heavily, so he throws in plenty of changeups that he hopes they won't see coming. He believes this is one of the reasons why the Steeler defense has been a perennial strength of the team.

Now ask yourself this question: Which of those scenarios sounds more like the current Panthers leadership team?

add into that the questions of why is the viking D so good. was it because he inherited some really nice talent and a good system from mike tomlin or is the success because of frazier.
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WINSTON MOSS

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CURRENT JOB: Assistant Head Coach, Inside Linebacker Coach, Green Bay Packers

HISTORY: Packers LB Coach (2006-present, given assistant HC title in 2007) Saints Defensive QC, LB Coach (2000-2005) Seahawks Defensive QC Coach (1998-1999)

DOB: 12/24/65 (44)

STRENGTHS: Smart, savvy, and considered a coach on the rise. Has experience in defenses with both 3 and 4 man fronts. Has a good history with developing young talent, including current Packers Clay Matthews and A J Hawk. Very well respected by players. Worked under Mike Holmgren for a year with the Seahawks, under defensive minded coach Jim Haslett in New Orleans and under Mike McCarthy during a period that has seen a resurgence by the Packers.

QUESTIONS: Another “assistant head coach” who hasn’t been a coordinator. Position coaches have been known to bypass coordinator roles before. The results are mixed (Andy Reid and Herman Edwards are examples).

PANTHER CONNECTIONS: The Packers current defensive coaching staff is a virtual Panthers reunion. There’s DC Dom Capers, DL Coach Mike Trgovac and OLB Coach Kevin Greene. Moss also has an NFC South background, having played for the Buccaneers (albeit well before the NFC South division existed) and coached for the Saints. Was a college teammate of one time Panthers safety Bubba McDowell. Currently working for the coach that former panther Jake Delhomme credited with teaching him how to quarterback.

WHO HE MIGHT BRING WITH HIM: Probably not any of the former Panthers, but secondary coach Darren Perry could be a potential DC. Moss could have a couple of potential OCs in QB Coach Tom Clements, RB Coach Edgar Bennett and WR Coach Jimmy Robinson. Another guy whose profile might conceivably suggest partiality to a West Coast Offense (though nowhere near as much as Sean McDermott).

WHY WE MIGHT NOT GET HIM: Per Pro Football Weekly, he’s on more than one executive’s short list of potential head coaches.

ODDS AND ENDS: Was the only defensive coach Mike Mccarthy kept after the 2009 season. The rest of the defensive staff was fired (including secondary coach Kurt Schottenheimer). Barely missed being a teammate of John Kasay. Joined the Seahawks in 1995, the same year Kasay became a Panther. Was on a National Championship team in 1983 under Howard Schnellenberger, Also college teammates with Michael Irvin and Miami University head coach Randy Shannon on a Hurricanes team coached by Jimmy Johnson (Dave Wannstedt, Butch Davis, Dave Campo and Tony Wise were assistants). The Hurricanes won the national championship the year after he graduated.

ANALYSIS: A name that’s not as well known to fans, but is fairly well known to NFL executives. He’s already received head coaching consideration from both the Rams and Raiders. PFW had him on a list of assistant coaches that don’t get enough credit. Played eleven years in the league and is considered to be a good “player’s coach”. Unknown whether he’d want a 4-3 or 3-4 defense, but he’s done both. Definitely someone to keep an eye on. Might be one of those names that’s still around after higher profile guys have been picked over (or might not last that long, hard to say).

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because you don't know what you're talking about. Fox had connections to both coaches from past stops in the NFL - in Henning's case, they worked across from each other in Meadowlands and Weis recommended him.

I dunno. If all you have is "anything is possible/you don't know", don't bother.

And all you have is speculation based on no facts or insider knowledge so why listen to you? You are just throwing things up on the wall as well. Because Henning worked for the Jets doesn't mean that Fox who worked for the Giants would interface that much if any. They don't exactly share personnel or get chummy with each other, they are rivals. When was the last time you talked to Frazier, McDermott or any of these candidates? Yet you act as if you actually know something? Give me a break.

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I kind of think that maybe People are missing the point of what we want 2 happen..Like Its obivious Carolina is going to be in a rebuilding Mode.Whats going to happen Fox is going to get fired but I dont think Hurney is.If fox gets another coaching job witch might be for the browns, He takeing Meeks and Skipper and a couple of other guys.So What hurney is going to have to do is find a coach that fits the profile.He's gotta be hard nose a defensive guru, or a defensive coach.Its harder to predict because there is more Defensive coaches then they are coordinators due to the fact that Richardson only used coordinators to be Head coaches.So you can slim the risk of a coordinator coming in.Richardson is very fund of the steelers organization he loves there tradition and the way they do things.So this is my prediction for the defensivr side of the BAll.

Leslie frazier- Just Overall the leading Candiate for any team.

Keith Butler- The second coming of dick Lebeau and if he can get a interview witch i guess he will because the steelers and panthers are like hand in hand.He will get the job.

Chuck Cecil- Even though this is like his second season as coordinator he has a no name defense that is great in the NFL.He is hot ANd he is getting a head start.

Wade Phillips- He is Not Cowher and he is not gruden But he has been in the NFL and coaching There is just 2 much talk and 2 m,any stars on the dallas team and it dont fit 2gether.Maybe he can DO well in a small market, and not having the owner make all the decisions.

Offensive side.

Russ Grimm- He fits the Jerry Richardson Profile just like Keith Butler.

Jim Harbaugh- Actual an head coach and has a really good stanford team.By his brother been so great maybe he can be also."IDK" aND Richardson might not wanna hire a college coach.

Jason Garrett-Great Offensive minded guy, But a job might be opening up in Big d. And he could be number 1 on the list.Watch the finger pointing.

B- shot- Really dont know him offense is okay but not like i thought it would be.Take away of the best o-line in the league and LT what do you have.?

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And all you have is speculation based on no facts or insider knowledge so why listen to you? You are just throwing things up on the wall as well. Because Henning worked for the Jets doesn't mean that Fox who worked for the Giants would interface that much if any. They don't exactly share personnel or get chummy with each other, they are rivals. When was the last time you talked to Frazier, McDermott or any of these candidates? Yet you act as if you actually know something? Give me a break.

Fox was very good friends with Weis, they've both said that. Fox's two OCs both worked closely with Weis.

But if you don't have anything to say, and don't want to hear what I have to say, leave it alone. I can say confidently I can live without your argument on semantics that has f' all anything to do with this actual discussion.

So, since it probably needs to be said twice, just leave it alone.

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Outside of Grimm or Harbaugh, the only one who really has an offensive tie-in that I could really make a case for would be McDermott. Any of the rest, it'd really just be speculation (not that a fair amount of this isn't, anyway).

Rivera's availability could tie in to how the Chargers feel about Turner. Tough to predict right now.

Gantt seems to think it's possible Meeks could join Fox with a new team, leading to Brian Baker succeeding him as Panthers DC. Not sure it'd happen, but the idea interests me.

I think it's fair to speculate on what offense if we're speculating on staffers, or at least background on their O and D experiences.

I like Baker but wouldn't want to saddle a new head coach with an already-hired coordinator like Dallas or Washington has. It's caused problems for each. Keeping Meeks would be different - continuity and an expectation for the new hire that we'd like to keep a very good offense intact.

Not against him, but it's tough to force that. And you could probably keep him under the guise of interviewing him for the DC job, and offering the position job.

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WINSTON MOSS

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probably comes Jon Beason approved. Always like guys who earn Asst HC duties.

I like him, provided he's 4-3, but guys who get into the 3-4 often become full converts. WCO background guys can more often hire other somewhat random WCO oriented guys and have a program in place.

I like Clements. I'd be OK with that. Beats taking Raiders coaches.

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Fox was very good friends with Weis, they've both said that. Fox's two OCs both worked closely with Weis.

But if you don't have anything to say, and don't want to hear what I have to say, leave it alone. I can say confidently I can live without your argument on semantics that has f' all anything to do with this actual discussion.

So, since it probably needs to be said twice, just leave it alone.

As usual your rude remarks and know it all attitude tend to rub me the wrong way, but you are right it doesn't really matter. The link to Weiss is hardly news and we all know that. My point in the beginning was that coaches don't need to have to work with a bunch of teams and people to be able to assembly a staff or find good folks for coordinator positions. Somehow that morphed into a disagreement. But as you say I will leave it alone since I don't care what you say or the way you say it. How about you leave it alone or stop being such a dick when you respond.

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I think it's fair to speculate on what offense if we're speculating on staffers, or at least background on their O and D experiences.

I like Baker but wouldn't want to saddle a new head coach with an already-hired coordinator like Dallas or Washington has. It's caused problems for each. Keeping Meeks would be different - continuity and an expectation for the new hire that we'd like to keep a very good offense intact.

Not against him, but it's tough to force that. And you could probably keep him under the guise of interviewing him for the DC job, and offering the position job.

Keeping a guy can be a plus or a minus. I didn't like the Garrett thing either, but Zimmer stayed through all the prior Dallas turnover, and of course LeBeau stays in Pittsburgh regardless.

I like most of the current defensive staff with the exception of being iffy on Milus.

I've been meaning to look over who has assistant HCs. I know the Panthers, Cards and Packers do, but I'm curious as to who else has the title.

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Current assistant head coaches and their positional coaching assignments:

Cardinals - Russ Grimm, Offensive Line

Falcons - Tim Lewis, Secondary (yep, the same one)

Bears - Rod Marinelli, Defensive Line (former Lions HC, Bucs assistant)

Bengals - Paul Alexander, Offensive Line

Browns - Brad Seely, Special Teams (original Panthers ST coach)

Packers - Winston Moss, Linebackers

Texans - Bill Kollar, Offensive Line

Chiefs - Maurice Carthon, no other duties (preceded Jeff Davidson as OC in Cleveland)

Dolphins - Todd Bowles, Secondary (might be a candidate)

Vikings - Leslie Frazier, Defensive Coordinator

Patriots - Dante Scarnecchia, Offensive Line

Saints - Joe Vitt, Linebackers (think he was an interim HC once)

Jets - Bill Callahan, Offensive Line (former Raiders HC)

Eagles - Marty Mornhinweg, Offensive Coordinator (no...just no)

Steelers - John Mitchell, Offensive Line

Chargers - Rob Chudzinski, Tight Ends

Rams - Richard Curl, Quarterbacks

Titans - Craig Johnson, Running Backs

Redskins - Bobby Turner, Redskins, Running Backs

And of course...

Panthers - Jim Skipper, Running Backs

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I can see keeping a past guy, when it's an establishhed coordinator. The hiring of a coordinator before a head coach is awful. Not that a Baker hire would happen first, but it shouldn't.

I figure most teams have an assistant head coach. Always felt like there should be one, but it shouldn't be a coordinator. Always thought the "associate head coach/assistant head coach/senior assistant" titles, a la Joe Gibbs era Redskins most recently, is silly. You need a guy to be your second in command, and not a team of lackeys. Same for the run game coordinator/passing game coordinator thing, which is coming on strong lately. Just not a fan - coordinator doesn't mean you have to do everything, but you're still in charge (consider the WCO hierarchy, where the head coach may call plays, QBs coach gameplans, the OC runs the O and administrates that side of the ball/runs the practice, and the line coach is in charge of the run game).

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