Fickle fans and coaching changes

[rayzor]

i want what i have always want and that is for the panthers to win.

i don't care who it is that makes it happen as long as our team and players are achieving at their highest levels. if it is the players holding us back, get new ones. if it is the coaches that are holding us back, get new ones.

coaches and players are only here to win. if they can't make that happen, then find someone who can.

trgo has not been able to make our defense what it is supposed to be since we went to the superbowl (using what del rio put together).

there may be flashes of brilliance from time to time but that isn't enough to blaze a trail to the lombardi.

[Fox007]

Na, that is wrong, lol

You have no common sense.

The reason you hear people saying they want new this or that, is because the SAME people are at their positions and no change has been made.(so obviously it is the same rants)

You condemn the wanting for new coaches, but what has your crusade for maintaining our current staff gotten you?

Last time I checked, the Panthers have 0 rings, so you are just as wrong as anyone else.

[Matt Foley]

Everyone talks about the talent at Trgo's disposal. But is this a reality?

His best D Lineman takes plays off and his heart hasn't been in it the last couple of years.

His best D back is someone the Bears basically gave to the Panthers a couple of years ago.

Beason has become one of the better defensive players in the League, but overall is the whole really worse than the sum of its parts?

[Matt Foley]

I struggle less with my weight than you struggle with your sexual identity. Wanna know why you have probs with chicks? Your preference is dicks.

I hear they even have strawberry twinkies now. When everyone buys up all the bread and milk tonight, go in and see for yourself.

[rayzor]

Na, that is wrong, lol

You have no common sense.

The reason you hear people saying they want new this or that, is because the SAME people are at their positions and no change has been made.(so obviously it is the same rants)

You condemn the wanting for new coaches, but what has your crusade for maintaining our current staff gotten you?

Last time I checked, the Panthers have 0 rings, so you are just as wrong as anyone else.

were you talking to the sea monster?

[Matt Foley]

were you talking to the sea monster?

Yes.

[Fox007]

Yes.

^^

[Badbak]

Marty Hurney had better pull a f ing rabbit out of his hat with Gross and Peppers or I'm going to lead the band to run his ass out of town. I can't believe he has drug his feet and waited untill their contracts are up without getting something done. From what I have read they knew for the past year that Peppers wanted out. They should have got a deal worked out with Gross so the franchise tag would be open for Peppers. Now Gross's agent is going to saddle Hurney's ass up and ride him all the way to the bank because the team can't tag him again because they have to tag Peppers and if they do not sign him he walks and the team gets nothing! Its possible that there will not be a team willing to cough up the draft picks the Panthers want for Peppers and he could leave and the Panthers get nothing.

[Fox007]

I think if Gross was really this magical "awesome/better panther", he would sign for what they offered Peppers.

(possibly less)

I mean if he is such a good panther, he wouldn't let this situation burn us, and he would sign without too much of a hassle.

[Matt Foley]

Na, that is wrong, lol

You have no common sense.

The reason you hear people saying they want new this or that, is because the SAME people are at their positions and no change has been made.(so obviously it is the same rants)

You condemn the wanting for new coaches, but what has your crusade for maintaining our current staff gotten you?

Last time I checked, the Panthers have 0 rings, so you are just as wrong as anyone else.

I don't condemn it. I just think it's funny. Personally, I think the odds of Trgo surviving this are about 50/50. And the next guy MAY come in and make a difference. But that is anything but a guarantee. Fox is comfortable with him. Just like he's comfortable with Crossman.

One of the reasons Henning was let go is because Henning was a loose cannon with the media. Fox put a muzzle on his coaches after training camp the year Henning was fired because Henning shot from the hip a couple of times.

[Fox007]

Well guess what man, everyone else is going to the media too....

Henning, Jenks, Pep........others may follow...

People seem to be fed up with Fox and his poo, and people just diss those guys who are opposite Fox, but from my perspective, it looks like Fox is wrong with what he has been doing.

Fox don't like people speaking up, probably to cover up his short comings, it is hard to condemn someone you don't know much about. Good strategy to save your own ass sure, but eventually people will bust, and it will air out anyway.(look at Gruden in Tampa)

Do you seriously have the confidence that if/when Fox is fired, that our coaches or players won't be saying the same kind of stuff against Fox?

[Matt Foley]

Well guess what man, everyone else is going to the media too....

Henning, Jenks, Pep........others may follow...

People seem to be fed up with Fox and his sh*t, and people just diss those guys who are opposite Fox, but from my perspective, it looks like Fox is wrong with what he has been doing.

Fox don't like people speaking up, probably to cover up his short comings, it is hard to condemn someone you don't know much about. Good strategy to save your own ass sure, but eventually people will bust, and it will air out anyway.(look at Gruden in Tampa)

Do you seriously have the confidence that if/when Fox is fired, that our coaches or players won't be saying the same kind of stuff against Fox?

Valid points. I'm just playing devil's advocate, I guess. Kind of like the ESPN guys have been doing about the situation in Philly. Fans there are fed up with Reid and McNabb, but the Reid/McNabb era is the most successful one in team history, by far. Fox has his shortcomings, no doubt, and so do his assistants. But there are 16 teams in the NFC, and only one can say that they haven't had a season worse than 7-9 during Fox's tenure.

If I had told you after the 1-15 season that your next coach would do that for you, as well as give you a trip to the Super Bowl, another one to the NFC Championship and another one where the team finished 12-4, would you have taken it?

[Fox007]

Valid points. I'm just playing devil's advocate, I guess. Kind of like the ESPN guys have been doing about the situation in Philly. Fans there are fed up with Reid and McNabb, but the Reid/McNabb era is the most successful one in team history, by far. Fox has his shortcomings, no doubt, and so do his assistants. But there are 16 teams in the NFC, and only one can say that they haven't had a season worse than 7-9 during Fox's tenure.

See now here is where I change sides a bit.

Reid and McNabb have gone to what 5 NFC championship games...(and 1 Superbowl loss too)

They also play in a better division historically(recent years), so it is MUCH harder to make it.(if not the best divison)

It may be time for change in Philly. This may be the best McNabb and Reid can do for Philly.

Still they didn't do a bad job, or cost their team...........they did well and have had great success.