The better question: How can anyone justify Clausen over Moore?

[koolkatluke]

You can probably name more but your three choices didn't depict accurately what is going on here. Also, Moore has 6 picks this year not 7 (not a big deal though). I think that we don't really know what is going to happen next year and it largely depends on what happens the rest of this year. I just don't like the idea of giving up on a season solely for the hope that the next coach MIGHT like our young QB who hasn't shown much thus far.

No the problem is you can't think of a situation where a in coming new coach resigned the QB from a non playoff team. Even as a back up.

Dude the season is over!! The sooner you step into reality the sooner this whole debate will be over.

[CRA]

Man I'm glad to see there is some sense left around here. Exactly, even if Clausen performs average to good, it may not be enough for a new coach to keep him. Clausen lovers don't want to understand this, but Clausen being the starter right now IS HURTING CLAUSEN.

Their support for this guys is actually sending him to an early death. Bunch of sadistic f**kers.

yep. Clausen isn't ready for the field. Putting him out there will just cause him to implode which is what we are seeing. A year of putting him on the field before he is ready will just force a new coach to automatically move in a different direction b/c now he has to worry about undoing everything this is creating to stick w/ him. Not sure why people think having him out there is good for him and his future. Ultimately it is going to take a kid with potential and turn him into a wasted pick and force us to look for another alternative when the new coach comes. Maybe if they would have sat him until week 8 and he had more time to adjust.......

don't forget there is a reasons Gantt everyone reported Moore was MILES ahead of Clausen all prior to the start of the season......and that is was glaring in practices. With basics....nothing changes from then to week 2.

[mj4life]

Man I'm glad to see there is some sense left around here. Exactly, even if Clausen performs average to good, it may not be enough for a new coach to keep him. Clausen lovers don't want to understand this, but Clausen being the starter right now IS HURTING CLAUSEN.

Their support for this guys is actually sending him to an early death. Bunch of sadistic f**kers.

not a clausen homer but what makes you think the next coach will have the power to just toss him to side(may take a year or longer before the front office would ok that)

[PantherFanForLife]

I actually think that even if Clausen stinks it up and plays the rest of whatever games he plays this year like he did this weekend, he'll get another look by the new coach in training camp.

His chances of starting would be slim, but I bet he'd be kept on the roster for another year, though that may be it.

I don't think he's quite gone when we get a new coach, quite the opposite - I just think that he's no guarantee for the future no matter what just yet. Need more than one season to tell that.

Even if we do take a #1 QB, that QB will have to ahve a great training camp to start. Much more likely for Clausen or a veteran (sorry, it won't be Moore unless he really turns things around if he gets another shot) to start than the #1 pick, though it could give way to that guy unless Clausen/vet plays well.

I meant keep as a starter not as a player. I don't think he would get cut. I would certainly hope not. I think the kid has potential. He's just in no position to turn that potential into something on the field this year.

[koolkatluke]

Man I'm glad to see there is some sense left around here. Exactly, even if Clausen performs average to good, it may not be enough for a new coach to keep him. Clausen lovers don't want to understand this, but Clausen being the starter right now IS HURTING CLAUSEN.

Their support for this guys is actually sending him to an early death. Bunch of sadistic f**kers.

He still has a contract for 3 more years he will aleast get a chance too battle for the Job or be a back-up.

Moore unless he does a Brady is gone. No need in starting him unless you know for sure he gets us too the playoffs.

[koolkatluke]

yep. Clausen isn't ready for the field. Putting him out there will just cause him to implode which is what we are seeing. A year of putting him on the field before he is ready will just force a new coach to automatically move in a different direction b/c now he has to worry about undoing everything this is creating to stick w/ him. Not sure why people think having him out there is good for him and his future. Ultimately it is going to take a kid with potential and turn him into a wasted pick and force us to look for another alternative when the new coach comes. Maybe if they would have sat him until week 8 and he had more time to adjust.......

don't forget there is a reasons Gantt everyone reported Moore was MILES ahead of Clausen all prior to the start of the season......and that is was glaring in practices. With basics....nothing changes from then to week 2.

If Matt moore starts do we make the playoffs? Is it a sure bet that we make the post season if he starts?

[CRA]

If Matt moore starts do we make the playoffs? Is it a sure bet that we make the post season if he starts?

Um, no.

but Matt Moore can't handle the basics of a John Fox offense right now.

Jimmy Clausen can be learning those right now.

[koolkatluke]

Um, no.

but Matt Moore can't handle the basics of a John Fox offense right now.

Jimmy Clausen can be learning those right now.

It doesn't F'n matter if he is not going too be here next year. So stop thinking of right now and think about the future.

Matt Moore starts and goes 2-14 and 3-13 how does it help this team.

No in coming coach HAS EVER RESIGNED A QB ON A LOSING TEAM TOO PLAY FOR HIM!!!!!

Why are people not getting this. John Fox is not making the decision anymore.

It's now about the future and Jimmy is has a better chance then Matt.

[CRA]

It doesn't F'n matter if he is not going too be here next year. So stop thinking of right now and think about the future.

Matt Moore starts and goes 2-14 and 3-13 how does it help this team.

No in coming coach HAS EVER RESIGNED A QB ON A LOSING TEAM TOO PLAY FOR HIM!!!!!

Why are people not getting this. John Fox is not making the decision anymore.

It's now about the future and Jimmy is has a better chance then Matt.

b/c it doesn't but Jimmy on the field before he is ready. It doesn't waste the Clausen pick. It doesn't force the new coach to go out and find a new QB b/c of the damage that is being done right now.....

what is happening this year is a disaster in many ways.

you put a rookie QB out there early w/ a bad team.....and you normally kill his career before it got started. Jimmy is going to be another statistic.

[mj4life]

b/c it doesn't but Jimmy on the field before he is ready. It doesn't waste the Clausen pick. It doesn't force the new coach to go out and find a new QB b/c of the damage that is being done right now.....

what is happening this year is a disaster in many ways.

you put a rookie QB out there early w/ a bad team.....and you normally kill his career before it got started. Jimmy is going to be another statistic.

if clausen can't play it won't be because he is playing to early, it will be because he just can't play

[CRA]

if clausen can't play it won't be because he is playing to early, it will be because he just can't play

Nah, not true. You can put players on the field too early. You do that w/ Clausen and it would be too big of a nightmare for a new coach to start of his career in Carolina w/ Clausen as QB.

[chef17]

Can someone please answer my question? You guys say Moore was benched in game 2 because he showed he can't win and Clausen took over. Clausen was benched sunday after showing he can't win? Why does that not mean someone else takes over?

[mj4life]

Nah, not true. You can put players on the field too early. You do that w/ Clausen and it would be too big of a nightmare for a new coach to start of his career in Carolina w/ Clausen as QB.

we can agree to disagree but Moose pretty much stated this on fnz today. he said if you feel that clausen is your guy, givin where we are now that you play him and see if has what it takes , also said david carr wasn't wrecked cause of playing early in houston but that he just didn't have what it takes mentally to start in this league.

[koolkatluke]

Nah, not true. You can put players on the field too early. You do that w/ Clausen and it would be too big of a nightmare for a new coach to start of his career in Carolina w/ Clausen as QB.

Wrong you either sink or swim good player take their lumps and learn (Peyton, Akiman) Bad player crumble and drown (Leaf, carr) that what seperates the guys who stick in the league from the guys who only last their rookie carear or become carear backups.

David carr R. Leaf would have sucked either way because they don't have the Mental toughness too make it.