The better question: How can anyone justify Clausen over Moore?

[koolkatluke]

Are you a Panthers Fan? Have you been here long?

Ever hear of him? Career back-up.

Again John Fox will not be the coach so i think another coach will take a different path. But nice try now anwser the question.

What is more likely too happen when a new coach and coaching staff comes in?

1. Go with the young QB who has 3 years left on a contract with the team.

2. Draft a QB that you like with the high 1st round pick you get from this bad

season.

3. Sign back a 27 year old back up most of his carear too be your Future qb who more then likely went 4-12 or 3-13 the year before.

Being a football fan what 2 things have a better chance of happening?

Please try too be realistic.

[TheRealDeal]

Again John Fox will not be the coach so i think another coach will take a different path. But nice try now anwser the question.

What is more likely too happen when a new coach and coaching staff comes in?

1. Go with the young QB who has 3 years left on a contract with the team.

2. Draft a QB that you like with the high 1st round pick you get from this bad

season.

3. Sign back a 27 year old back up most of his carear too be your Future qb who more then likely went 4-12 or 3-13 the year before.

Being a football fan what 2 things have a better chance of happening?

Please try too be realistic.

If you are going to add commentary to the 3rd I get to add commentary to the 1st.

1. Go with the not so young QB because he was held back his whole life who has 3 years left on a contract with the team and when he was given playing time the year before led the team to three consecutive losses (and counting) and proved he could not move the offense, was scared to deliver the ball downfield, and was scared to stay in the pocket. This "old" rookie has regressed since first stepping on the scene and it seems now that he is on a level playing field with his opponents for the first time in his life can't get it done.

2. Draft a QB that you like with the high 1st round pick you get from this bad

season.

3. Sign back a 26 (about 2 years older than your young guy) year old back up most of his young career too be your Future qb who showed great promise and has a winning record as a starter. This 26 year old has a good TD to INT ratio and is a winner in the NFL.

Now you play. Take your choice.

[PantherFanForLife]

Again John Fox will not be the coach so i think another coach will take a different path. But nice try now anwser the question.

What is more likely too happen when a new coach and coaching staff comes in?

1. Go with the young QB who has 3 years left on a contract with the team.

2. Draft a QB that you like with the high 1st round pick you get from this bad

season.

3. Sign back a 27 year old back up most of his carear too be your Future qb who more then likely went 4-12 or 3-13 the year before.

Being a football fan what 2 things have a better chance of happening?

Please try too be realistic.

Most likely, if Clausen doesn't show he can be the guy...he will draft a new QB, and either start Matt or draft another vet QB while letting the rookie learn on the bench for a year or two.

Which is exactly what should have happened this year, and the correct move to make and has been the way things are done in the NFL for over half a century unless the rookie is some freaking gift from God. And in the case of Clausen he is not, and it would not matter anyway if he was. Not with this team.

If Clausen cannot show he has the goods, NO coach will want him as the starter the first year. It will make the coach look bad. Which is why I believed in the end, starting Clausen before he is ready only hurts Clausen long term.

[Carl Spackler]

lol. You are asking for too much. The guy has to ignore everything that is REAL, in order to make his point which is 100% based on his opinions. Nothing real. No facts. No evidence. He thinks he can take things out of context compare them and somehow get away without anyone noticing.

Oh yes, because I don't think Moore should start based on his 2009 season I don't support anything with facts or evidence. You really are ridiculous, and there's a reason people make fun of you and RealDeal for slurping Moore.

[koolkatluke]

If you are going to add commentary to the 3rd I get to add commentary to the 1st.

1. Go with the not so young QB because he was held back his whole life who has 3 years left on a contract with the team and when he was given playing time the year before led the team to three consecutive losses (and counting) and proved he could not move the offense, was scared to deliver the ball downfield, and was scared to stay in the pocket. This "old" rookie has regressed since first stepping on the scene and it seems now that he is on a level playing field with his opponents for the first time in his life can't get it done.

2. Draft a QB that you like with the high 1st round pick you get from this bad

season.

3. Sign back a 26 (about 2 years older than your young guy) year old back up most of his young career too be your Future qb who showed great promise and has a winning record as a starter. This 26 year old has a good TD to INT ratio and is a winner in the NFL.

Now you play. Take your choice.

I pick 2 then 1. The people who pick 3 1st are lying too themselves. His td to int ratio this year is 2 to 7.

Real Deal name me a situation where a new coach coming too a team resigned a QB who was on the team the year before.

I'll name you more situation when the new coach either went with the young QB drafted the year before or brought their own QB in.

[TheRealDeal]

You can probably name more but your three choices didn't depict accurately what is going on here. Also, Moore has 6 picks this year not 7 (not a big deal though). I think that we don't really know what is going to happen next year and it largely depends on what happens the rest of this year. I just don't like the idea of giving up on a season solely for the hope that the next coach MIGHT like our young QB who hasn't shown much thus far.

[PantherFanForLife]

I pick 2 then 1. The people who pick 3 1st are lying too themselves. His td to int ratio this year is 2 to 7.

Real Deal name me a situation where a new coach coming too a team resigned a QB who was on the team the year before.

I'll name you more situation when the new coach either went with the young QB drafted the year before or brought their own QB in.

Yes because a coach is going to do what you do, and only look at the 2 worst games of a QB's career while ignoring everything else.

The people who are saying relying on that twisted stat taken out of context to define Matt Moore, are lying to themselves. NO coach in this league would agree with you when evaluating a player.

[koolkatluke]

Most likely, if Clausen doesn't show he can be the guy...he will draft a new QB, and either start Matt or draft another vet QB while letting the rookie learn on the bench for a year or two.

Draft a Vet??

Again Matt on a 1 year contract do you think he would resigned him too be his QB or bring a better vet in?

Which is exactly what should have happened this year, and the correct move to make and has been the way things are done in the NFL for over half a century unless the rookie is some freaking gift from God. And in the case of Clausen he is not, and it would not matter anyway if he was. Not with this team.

This only happens when you have a serviceble starter who has been good for years at the end of his carear not a guy trying to start a carear.

If Clausen cannot show he has the goods, NO coach will want him as the starter the first year. It will make the coach look bad. Which is why I believed in the end, starting Clausen before he is ready only hurts Clausen long term.

Atleast the new coach finds out instead having a ? mark going into a draft where you will have a top 3 pick. If clausen sucks we draft a QB if he doesn't and imporves we get a DT and weapons for Clausen.

It's better we find out now then later.

[mav1234]

Clausen doesn't need to suck for us to draft a QB #1. In order for us to do that, we would need:

1) A coach who values high level of QB play foremost among other considerations (for instance, I would say Fox does not fit this billing, though obv. he values it, just thinks there are other needs).

2) Clausen to not completely light it up for the rest of the season (aka not have a ton of really great games that show he is the future without a doubt).

3) See considerable improvement in some other areas.

If Clausen leaves any question in the coaches mind, a QB is a decent chance at our #1 pick depending on who is available then, what the situation on the team is like, what the coach's philosophy is, etc.

[PantherFanForLife]

Oh yes, because I don't think Moore should start based on his 2009 season I don't support anything with facts or evidence. You really are ridiculous, and there's a reason people make fun of you and RealDeal for slurping Moore.

No you don't. You take stats out of context and you make yourself look like a joke. Your sample for comparison is tiny, only taking into consideration the worst performance of one player while taking into consideration the best of the other.

I don't even think that works in middle school let alone among grown adults.

[koolkatluke]

Yes because a coach is going to do what you do, and only look at the 2 worst games of a QB's career while ignoring everything else.

The people who are saying relying on that twisted stat taken out of context to define Matt Moore, are lying to themselves. NO coach in this league would agree with you when evaluating a player.

The thing is you and other are thinking about now.

Weather Matt or Jimmy starts we are not going too the playoffs.

So you play the guy who has a better chance of being on this team next year.

No matter what fantasy your in Jimmy has the better chance of being here.

[PantherFanForLife]

Clausen doesn't need to suck for us to draft a QB #1. In order for us to do that, we would need:

1) A coach who values high level of QB play foremost among other considerations (for instance, I would say Fox does not fit this billing, though obv. he values it, just thinks there are other needs).

2) Clausen to not completely light it up for the rest of the season (aka not have a ton of really great games that show he is the future without a doubt).

3) See considerable improvement in some other areas.

If Clausen leaves any question in the coaches mind, a QB is a decent chance at our #1 pick depending on who is available then, what the situation on the team is like, what the coach's philosophy is, etc.

Man I'm glad to see there is some sense left around here. Exactly, even if Clausen performs average to good, it may not be enough for a new coach to keep him. Clausen lovers don't want to understand this, but Clausen being the starter right now IS HURTING CLAUSEN.

Their support for this guys is actually sending him to an early death. Bunch of sadistic fugers.

[TheRealDeal]

You really are ridiculous, and there's a reason people make fun of you and RealDeal for slurping Moore.

Oh no. Are you guys on the interwebz making fun of me again? Aw, I'm really sad. But answer me this. What are you going to say when I am right? Are you going to call me a "Football knowledge slurper" or a "Fact Slurper"

"Hey guys, look at TheRealDeal's post. He's using all those numbers and facts again. Who knew he'd be right all along. Anyway, let's pretend we were with him all along on his analysis"

[mav1234]

Man I'm glad to see there is some sense left around here. Exactly, even if Clausen performs average to good, it may not be enough for a new coach to keep him. Clausen lovers don't want to understand this, but Clausen being the starter right now IS HURTING CLAUSEN.

Their support for this guys is actually sending him to an early death. Bunch of sadistic f**kers.

I actually think that even if Clausen stinks it up and plays the rest of whatever games he plays this year like he did this weekend, he'll get another look by the new coach in training camp.

His chances of starting would be slim, but I bet he'd be kept on the roster for another year, though that may be it.

I don't think he's quite gone when we get a new coach, quite the opposite - I just think that he's no guarantee for the future no matter what just yet. Need more than one season to tell that.

Even if we do take a #1 QB, that QB will have to ahve a great training camp to start. Much more likely for Clausen or a veteran (sorry, it won't be Moore unless he really turns things around if he gets another shot) to start than the #1 pick, though it could give way to that guy unless Clausen/vet plays well.