The better question: How can anyone justify Clausen over Moore?

[mj4life]

Depends who you ask. The players and Fox want whoever can win this year. Maybe Hurney and Richardson are looking down the road but they are actually the minority not the majority.

Who knows if Clausen will be the guy next year. We suffered through Weinke the same way and he never played again. Same could happen with Clausen. Why waste a whole year with someone who may be here but surely may not start or even play next year depending on what the new coach wants.

so what does playing Moore get us? he won't be here & we are not going to contend for anything that matters this year,that's my whole point. Clausen may or may not be the future that's for sure, but the same could be said for gettis,lafell,edwards or any young player on the roster for that matter(they all could be on the street next year)IMO clausen will be givin the chance to start here(whether he takes advantage of it is up to him)

[panthers55]

so what does playing Moore get us? he won't be here & we are not going to contend for anything that matters this year,that's my whole point. Clausen may or may not be the future that's for sure, but the same could be said for gettis,lafell,edwards or any young player on the roster for that matter(they all could be on the street next year)IMO clausen will be givin the chance to start here(whether he takes advantage of it is up to him)

I don't know what Moore gives us. Up until the first game I would have said alot but now it is hard to say. But I think he deserves another shot given we gave Clausen 3 games and the bar has been set much lower. Moore doesn't have to play that well to be better than Clausen.

As for whether Moore will be here or not is actually under debate. If he played well he was going to be gone as he would have wanted big bucks, but now things are up in the air. What if he comes in and plays better. Maybe then you keep him but pay him much less than before. Maybe he becomes an option maybe not.

But you can't compare WRs to quarterbacks though. The quarterback has to be good since he is the only player outside of the center to handle the ball on virutally ever snap. Wide receivers may only see the ball 5 or 6 times a game.

As for clausen he has been given the chance to start. Don't know if he gets a chance next year. Hard to see if he plays like he has the rest of the year. He is much lower rated than anyone out there. It probably depends on what happens here. But Weinke is a perfect cautionary tale about a rookie who starts his rookie year and when the new coach comes in never get another start until 2006.

[mj4life]

I don't know what Moore gives us. Up until the first game I would have said alot but now it is hard to say. But I think he deserves another shot given we gave Clausen 3 games and the bar has been set much lower. Moore doesn't have to play that well to be better than Clausen.

As for whether Moore will be here or not is actually under debate. If he played well he was going to be gone as he would have wanted big bucks, but now things are up in the air. What if he comes in and plays better. Maybe then you keep him but pay him much less than before. Maybe he becomes an option maybe not.

But you can't compare WRs to quarterbacks though. The quarterback has to be good since he is the only player outside of the center to handle the ball on virutally ever snap. Wide receivers may only see the ball 5 or 6 times a game.

As for clausen he has been given the chance to start. Don't know if he gets a chance next year. Hard to see if he plays like he has the rest of the year. He is much lower rated than anyone out there. It probably depends on what happens here. But Weinke is a perfect cautionary tale about a rookie who starts his rookie year and when the new coach comes in never get another start until 2006.

since you bring up weinke, fox gave him a chance to start but choose peete cause he felt he could trust him to run his offense, the next season dehlomme was signed and the rest is history. i felt that Moore should have atleast played thru the bye maybe even longer. since the trigger was pulled so fast makes me wonder if fox even made that call, so whomever JR/Hurney hire as coach will more than likely come here with the understanding that clausen will be apart of the mix. my guess is that clausen goes into next season as the # 1, we sign a veteran who can start if needed as his backup & pike as the #3 continues to develop & push clausen

[Cyberjag]

But Weinke is a perfect cautionary tale about a rookie who starts his rookie year and when the new coach comes in never get another start until 2006.

It's not as if Weinke was ever a great QB. After he was benched he was kept around as the backup, and over the next couple of years he had the chance to develop and just plain didn't. He was also a fourth-round pick for a reason--immobile, poor judgment and a long throwing motion. Not to mention he was older than dirt coming out of college. Had Jeff Lewis worked out, Weinke never would have seen the field in the first place.

[MadHatter]

and I would agree 100% w/ that reasoning. However, we have a lameduck coach. Neither could be in our future plans. If Fox was going to be here fine.....but he isn't.

Not sure Fox is in control of anything at this point. Things seems to suggest he isn't.

Valid point.

[PantherFanForLife]

I guess that based on the OPs reaction, the post title should have been "I'm not interested in what you have to say, Moore should start and here's why".

Actually you are 100% correct. I'm not. What I posted are NOT opinions. Those are HARD facts.

What many are saying about Moore have no idea what they are talking about. They are ignorant.

The statements made simply DO NOT agree with the reality of hard, factual evidence.

[PantherFanForLife]

not reading the thread.

he's the starter. get over it.

Not what the thread is about. You are ignorant and I'm certainly over that.

[Mr ocho nueve]

You are an idiot. Yes who cares about the previous 8 FULL games he played with the franchise, let's care about the last 3 meaningless minutes in Sunday's game.

Yeah, that's how you evaluate a QB.

Its a whole new team from last year man, that's why you can't compare them, last year there were alot of veterans on the team, different starters....now we have a whole new team, new wr's that are catchng the football, or at least trying to, and a shaken up offensive line.

I support who ever the qb is, but comparing the qbs this season, Clausen looks better, not by alot but better.

[PantherFanForLife]

55-yard TD pass to Stewart avoiding the rush, looking downfield and buying time. 4th down avoiding the rush sideline pass in coverage straight to Gettis, first down. That's something. Which is more than can be said for Moore and his "fluky" interceptions.

You are the epitomy of bias judging from your posts. Why people even argue with you I have no idea. You couldn't convince a 5 year old with those arguments.

You are clinging on to instances of good play among HORRENDUS QB performance to prove a point of how Jimmy is great and when you argue against Matt, you do the exact opposite. You pick out THE WORST of what he has shown in his career and ignore everything else. It's as if NFL began for you in 2010.

Just because YOU ignore facts, evidence, track record, and hard numbers doesn't change reality. Wake up.

Matt has already accomplished in full games what you are hoping Jimmy will. And despite what you think, he actually did this LESS THAN 1 YEAR AGO.

So here, if you are going to look at the worst of Matt, let me show you the best of Matt.

|_15_|MIN |W 26-7_| 21_ | 33 | 299 | 63.6_|9.06| 55 |_3 |_0 | 2.0_ |123.2 |-| 5_ | -2_ | -0.4| _1 | 0_|

|_16_|NYG|W_41-9_| 15_ | 20 | 171 | 75.0_|8.55| 27 |_3 |_0 | 1.0_ |139.8 |-| 4_ | _2_ | 0.5 | _5 | 0_|

Throwing for 300 yards, back to back games with 3 touchdowns and 0 interceptions and QB ratings of 123.2 and 139.8 is NOT a simple fluke, especially considering they are part of a 3 game winning streak.

You don't want to see those, you don't want to talk about those, you don't want to acknowledge those, because then you have to face the reality that Matt is not what you say he is.

And btw, that's not some century old data. That was just last year, and actually less than a year ago. And it's not like we had some amazing team last year either. We sucked and were very inconsistent until Moore came in and saved Fox's season to end up with at least respectable numbers.

[PantherFanForLife]

Its a whole new team from last year man, that's why you can't compare them, last year there were alot of veterans on the team, different starters....now we have a whole new team, new wr's that are catchng the football, or at least trying to, and a shaken up offensive line.

I support who ever the qb is, but comparing the qbs this season, Clausen looks better, not by alot but better.

No he does not. Sorry but he doesn't. He looks better than Matt does at his worst. That doesn't mean he looks better. You can't say what you saw in the first 2 games is how Matt plays football. It's a tiny sample, and a horribly narrow viewpoint.

[Carl Spackler]

You are the epitomy of bias judging from your posts. Why people even argue with you I have no idea. You couldn't convince a 5 year old with those arguments.

You are clinging on to instances of good play among HORRENDUS QB performance to prove a point of how Jimmy is great and when you argue against Matt, you do the exact opposite. You pick out THE WORST of what he has shown in his career and ignore everything else. It's as if NFL began for you in 2010.

Just because YOU ignore facts, evidence, track record, and hard numbers doesn't change reality. Wake up.

Matt has already accomplished in full games what you are hoping Jimmy will. And despite what you think, he actually did this LESS THAN 1 YEAR AGO.

So here, if you are going to look at the worst of Matt, let me show you the best of Matt.

|_15_|MIN |W 26-7_| 21_ | 33 | 299 | 63.6_|9.06| 55 |_3 |_0 | 2.0_ |123.2 |-| 5_ | -2_ | -0.4| _1 | 0_|

|_16_|NYG|W_41-9_| 15_ | 20 | 171 | 75.0_|8.55| 27 |_3 |_0 | 1.0_ |139.8 |-| 4_ | _2_ | 0.5 | _5 | 0_|

Throwing for 300 yards, back to back games with 3 touchdowns and 0 interceptions and QB ratings of 123.2 and 139.8 is NOT a simple fluke, especially considering they are part of a 3 game winning streak.

You don't want to see those, you don't want to talk about those, you don't want to acknowledge those, because then you have to face the reality that Matt is not what you say he is.

And btw, that's not some century old data. That was just last year, and actually less than a year ago. And it's not like we had some amazing team last year either. We sucked and were very inconsistent until Moore came in and saved Fox's season to end up with at least respectable numbers.

Funny you mention bias...you completely ignore everything good said about Clausen and for those who oppose your Moore-sucking-off opinion, you try and belittle them.

You're so awesome.

[Carl Spackler]

Not what the thread is about. You are ignorant and I'm certainly over that.

...Seriously, are you 14 years old or something?

[OneBadassCat]

You guys who keep bringing up Moore's 2 ints last week need to pipe down. 1 pick was on Armanti and the other he was taking shot to endzone with no time left on the clock, again you can't blame him there. What was he supposed to do? Score 3 TD in 3 mins or some poo? He had no time to work with.

[TheRealDeal]

Throw it out of bounds obviously. I mean why not throw it away with no time left on the clock and down an insurmountable amount?