The better question: How can anyone justify Clausen over Moore?

[Carl Spackler]

Jesus will this thread ever die?

[PantherFanForLife]

Jesus will this thread ever die?

Not as long as you come in here and make posts like that effectively bumping it up every time. What's the matter? The facts in the OP for everyone to see that go against everything you say bother you? A little harder for you to spew your bullshit, no?

I love guys who make posts like this: "I want this thread to go away so I'm going to post a reply which in turn will keep it at the top of the forum".

Awesome! Great logic!

[blak-n-blu]

Let it go, folks..

[koolkatluke]

I don't follow your first sentence....

most successful QBs who played as rookies did so on good teams where coaches could limit their exposure. Most QBs thrown out there early like Jimmy...on bad teams....don't make it in this league.

that is just going off history in the NFL. Peyton is an exception.

So is

Aikman = 1-15

Dan fouts = played in 11 games as a rookie 6td -13int's and a losing record.

Elway = started 10 games rookie year went 4-6 with 7td 14int's with a bad denver team

Bledsoe = 12 games started 5-7 record 15td-15int

Moon = 16 games started 3-13 record 12td -14int

Bradshaw = 8 games 3-5 record 6td-22int's

Jim Kelly = 16 games 4-12 record 22td -17int's

Phill Sims = 11 games 6-5 record 13-14 td-int's

I can keep going if you like. OK

Bernie Kosar = 10 games 4-6 record 8-7 td-int's

Johnny U = 7 games 3-4 rec 9-10 td-int's

We could do this all day. But it doesn't change the fact that Jimmy needs too play and Matt is gone after the season so it doesn't help the team if he plays.

[koolkatluke]

Whatever dude. You don't need to be a coach in order to see Jimmy does NOT have the BASICS down in the NFL yet..

Handling snaps, clock management, scanning your entire field, throwing mechanism, passing comfortably in all areas of a field(not just sidelines or short) are all part of the basics. All of those things are things you would expect even an AVERAGE NFL QB to be able to do fairly well when he takes the field.

Your argument sounds ridiculous because it basically boils down to this: "Jimmy should continue to get live play during the regular season because it gives him a good opportunity to learn the basics week after week".

Say what?

Uhmmm....no. If you don't have down at least the basics, you don't need to be out there. Period.

Nor are you a scout a former player a GM or a person who gets paid too study talk about on tV or write about football.

So you telling me about the basics of being a QB is like a Hair dresser trying too tell me about Einstein theroy of relativety.

[CRA]

So is

Aikman = 1-15

Dan fouts = played in 11 games as a rookie 6td -13int's and a losing record.

Elway = started 10 games rookie year went 4-6 with 7td 14int's with a bad denver team

Bledsoe = 12 games started 5-7 record 15td-15int

Moon = 16 games started 3-13 record 12td -14int

Bradshaw = 8 games 3-5 record 6td-22int's

Jim Kelly = 16 games 4-12 record 22td -17int's

Phill Sims = 11 games 6-5 record 13-14 td-int's

I can keep going if you like. OK

Bernie Kosar = 10 games 4-6 record 8-7 td-int's

Johnny U = 7 games 3-4 rec 9-10 td-int's

We could do this all day. But it doesn't change the fact that Jimmy needs too play and Matt is gone after the season so it doesn't help the team if he plays.

yeah, you are going back in time and picking out HOFers and NFL greats. Most QBs inserted on bad teams their rookie year fail....the exceptions to that normally tend to be NFL greats.

Jimmy does need to play. He doesn't need to play until he can handle some basics. B/c he had those basics down he could then go in and work on the differences between NFL and college. Did you watch Peyton his rookie year?? Peyton did not struggle w/ some basics of the game. Not sure why you continue to ignore that important aspect. If Peyton had real mechanic issues, couldn't take snaps, etc.......he would not have been out there. So far, Jimmy is proving you CAN'T compare those rookie seasons to his.

[chef17]

Nor are you a scout a former player a GM or a person who gets paid too study talk about on tV or write about football.

So you telling me about the basics of being a QB is like a Hair dresser trying too tell me about Einstein theroy of relativety.

May I ask how you are sure of the basics of playing QB? Do/did you play QB?

[koolkatluke]

yeah, you are going back in time and picking out HOFers and NFL greats. Most QBs inserted on bad teams their rookie year fail....the exceptions to that normally tend to be NFL greats.

Jimmy does need to play. He doesn't need to play until he can handle some basics. B/c he had those basics down he could then go in and work on the differences between NFL and college. Did you watch Peyton his rookie year?? Peyton did not struggle w/ some basics of the game. Not sure why you continue to ignore that important aspect. If Peyton had real mechanic issues, couldn't take snaps, etc.......he would not have been out there. So far, Jimmy is proving you CAN'T compare those rookie seasons to his.

Again I'm picking out the people that made it those that didn't don't matter.

I don't know what catagory Jimmy will be in. All I'm saying is it's better too find out now then 2 years down the road.

1st you know nothing about QB mechanic so stop before you get started trying too be a expert. Phillps Rivers has very bad "QB Mechanic" and he is doing what again????

2nd Obviously Fox and the coaching staff feels he has the "basics" or he would be playing.

3rd Jimmy hasn't proven anything in 3 games bad or good you need more evidence to make a judgement of what he is or isn't proving.

4th weren't you the one didn't know who we were talking about 2 pages ago?

[koolkatluke]

May I ask how you are sure of the basics of playing QB? Do/did you play QB?

No I wasn't but I'm also not the one who is saying people don't have the Basics on here either.

[chef17]

No I wasn't but I'm also not the one who is saying people don't have the Basics on here either.

So how are you so sure of what the basics are but you discredit what I consider to be the basics?

[koolkatluke]

So how are you so sure of what the basics are but you discredit what I consider to be the basics?

Because the peole who get paid to know have him on the field and since me nor you get paid to provide this info I'll stick my faith on them. Not a arm chair QB playing expert on a MB forum.

[chef17]

Because the peole who get paid to know have him on the field and since me nor you get paid to provide this info I'll stick my faith on them. Not a arm chair QB playing expert on a MB forum.

I understand they are confident Jimmy has down the basics. I am referring to your post that say reading defenses, and reading man vs. zone are the basics but when I said taking snaps and throwing motion was a basic you stated I am not an expert on the topic so how would I know.

[koolkatluke]

I understand they are confident Jimmy has down the basics. I am referring to your post that say reading defenses, and reading man vs. zone are the basics but when I said taking snaps and throwing motion was a basic you stated I am not an expert on the topic so how would I know.

Correct

You bring up throwing motion and I say Phillp Rivers doesn't have the prototype throwing motion and he gets by. You said nothing about that. I'd say you only really perfect your throwing motion by seeing what works in game action not in practice. Which is right and anybody playing football will tell you that.

Taking snaps I pointed out to you that all QB have mind farts everyonce in awhile when it comes to getting the snap from center. His problem isn't he can't take a snap. Seriously if he couldn't take snap would he even be playing in the NFL.

His problem come from him thinking too much at the snap and having a brain farts this will improve as he plays more in game type speed.

Your problem is that most of the stuff you say can be rookie mistakes and only improve with game speed reps.

[Carl Spackler]

Not as long as you come in here and make posts like that effectively bumping it up every time. What's the matter? The facts in the OP for everyone to see that go against everything you say bother you? A little harder for you to spew your bullshit, no?

I love guys who make posts like this: "I want this thread to go away so I'm going to post a reply which in turn will keep it at the top of the forum".

Awesome! Great logic!

Internet tough guy alert!

Actually, quite the contrary to what you think...I'm tired of your self-righteous arrogant douchetastic posts claiming you know everything there is to know about this game and this team. Of course, I know as long as I'm signed in to this board that you'll be on here, running your mouth, calling people idiots, giving Matt Moore oral sex and generally being a dick to make yourself feel better. Here's an idea...the next time you have a thought, or something to say, just let it go. You'll be doing the rest of us a favor.

Now, by all means, carry on with the mindless drivel you think is supposed to convince me why Moore is so much better.