The better question: How can anyone justify Clausen over Moore?

[CRA]

Again you learn the basics by playing in real game speed. You can't get use to reading def. and audibles on the bench. You don't develop a better passing motion or how to locate passing lanes on the bench.

Peyton had too take his lumps. Aikman had too take his lumps. Mark Sanchez had too take his lumps. You develop by playing on the field during real games against real game speed.

If you get damage by doing somthing you weren't meant too do it.

If a QB crumbles under the pressure during these situation while developing his craft he wasn't meant too be a starting QB. We have a chance too really improve ourselves with a top 3 pick we have too find out if we need a QB of the future (in one of the best QB drafts in year) or if he is already on the roster.

well, agree to disagree. Getting snaps, low throws, and slow wind up.....those are things you can work on before getting thrown out there. Once out there you have having to worry about game speed and a host of other things.

again, everyone keeps wanting to compare him to Manning (who is one of the greatest to ever play the game).

The Jets were able to hide Mark to a large degree. That is why even though he was downright horrible....they were still able to win games. They let Mark make some mistakes and then would hide him. Carolina can't do that.

I mean, there is a reason Armanti hasn't been out there every Sunday despite being a high draft pick. He wasn't ready...still isn't. Throwing him out there when he is still working on basics.....would hurt his growth. They might give him some rare plays here or there but they have to bring him along slowly. If it is a wasted season why don't you think they just have thrown him out there to take lumps and prove if he is worth it like Clausen?

there are a lot of mental aspects to sports. no doubt imo you can hurt guys by playing them before they are ready. They have small windows to prove themselves and setbacks early can prevent career from ever taking off.

[Catdaddy]

3 Moore picks than Jimmy, and Jimmy is a rookie, is good enough for me!

[hank pimple butt]

whoever has the biggest wang should start.

[Catdaddy]

whoever has the biggest wang should start.

One is named Jimmy, the other is Moore, so we know who wins it that way!

[koolkatluke]

well, agree to disagree. Getting snaps, low throws, and slow wind up.....those are things you can work on before getting thrown out there. Once out there you have having to worry about game speed and a host of other things.

again, everyone keeps wanting to compare him to Manning (who is one of the greatest to ever play the game).

The Jets were able to hide Mark to a large degree. That is why even though he was downright horrible....they were still able to win games. They let Mark make some mistakes and then would hide him. Carolina can't do that.

I mean, there is a reason Armanti hasn't been out there every Sunday despite being a high draft pick. He wasn't ready...still isn't. Throwing him out there when he is still working on basics.....would hurt his growth. They might give him some rare plays here or there but they have to bring him along slowly. If it is a wasted season why don't you think they just have thrown him out there to take lumps and prove if he is worth it like Clausen?

there are a lot of mental aspects to sports. no doubt imo you can hurt guys by playing them before they are ready. They have small windows to prove themselves and setbacks early can prevent career from ever taking off.

Then we will disagree you don't learn how too be a QB by flim study and pratice alone. You can't learn how too get your pass over a jumping Dlinemen on the bench. You learn how too take a snap while the real bullets are flying. If you are not mentaly tough for the job you don't need too do the job.

I use Peyton and Aikman because other will keep use David Carr and Ryan Leaf as examples. If you can use the worst QB too say why you don't put a QB in early why can't i use 2 of the best that got beaten up and lost alot their rookie season like Carr but instead of curling up into a ball they rose to the challege. That's what we need too see from Jimmy either he flys or falls. It could mean a quick turn around or a few bad years trying to figure out what we can do now.

[chef17]

Again you learn the basics by playing in real game speed. You can't get use to reading def. and audibles on the bench. You don't develop a better passing motion or how to locate passing lanes on the bench.

Peyton had too take his lumps. Aikman had too take his lumps. Mark Sanchez had too take his lumps. You develop by playing on the field during real games against real game speed.

If you get damage by doing somthing you weren't meant too do it.

If a QB crumbles under the pressure during these situation while developing his craft he wasn't meant too be a starting QB. We have a chance too really improve ourselves with a top 3 pick we have too find out if we need a QB of the future (in one of the best QB drafts in year) or if he is already on the roster.

Actually you should learn the basics in practice.

[chef17]

Then we will disagree you don't learn how too be a QB by flim study and pratice alone. You can't learn how too get your pass over a jumping Dlinemen on the bench. You learn how too take a snap while the real bullets are flying. If you are not mentaly tough for the job you don't need too do the job.

I use Peyton and Aikman because other will keep use David Carr and Ryan Leaf as examples. If you can use the worst QB too say why you don't put a QB in early why can't i use 2 of the best that got beaten up and lost alot their rookie season like Carr but instead of curling up into a ball they rose to the challege. That's what we need too see from Jimmy either he flys or falls. It could mean a quick turn around or a few bad years trying to figure out what we can do now.

I wouldn't want a QB to learn to take snaps while in a game. I would prefer him to already have that down.

[koolkatluke]

Actually you should learn the basics in practice.

How do you learn how too read a 3-4 def. in pratice when we don't play a 3-4 or have 3-4 coaches?

How do you learn to throw a ball over a dlinemen who is 6-6 when all your de and dt are 6-3, 6-4 or shorter?

He can take a million snaps from kalil in pratice but he won't get the real life bullets you get when a LB is talking about f'n your mommy and barking at you while your doing a hard snap count.

Practice will never replace teaching the basic like real game speed and trial and error.

[PantherFanForLife]

Again you learn the basics by playing in real game speed. You can't get use to reading def. and audibles on the bench. You don't develop a better passing motion or how to locate passing lanes on the bench.

Peyton had too take his lumps. Aikman had too take his lumps. Mark Sanchez had too take his lumps. You develop by playing on the field during real games against real game speed.

If you get damage by doing somthing you weren't meant too do it.

If a QB crumbles under the pressure during these situation while developing his craft he wasn't meant too be a starting QB. We have a chance too really improve ourselves with a top 3 pick we have too find out if we need a QB of the future (in one of the best QB drafts in year) or if he is already on the roster.

Not to sound like Fox, but the basics are called the basics because that's exactly what they are. Basics. You hardly ever see them in that form in a real game scenario. It just what you rely on, to build everything else on top. You can actually only learn them in practice in isolated and simulated scenarios, step by step.

Then when you get out there and you see something different each and every single week you rely on a basic skill set and adapt it to the game situation. But in order for you to do that on the fly you have to have that poo down pat.

Like others have said, there is no possible positives in learning clock management, throwing over your opponents line so you don't get your passes batted down, how to handle snaps, etc etc....in a game scenario.

That type of stuff is what practice is for. Real game time is using that to the best of your abilities and knowledge and adapting it as the situation calls for it. Jimmy simply doesn't look ready to start. He may be doing his best to get up to speed, but overall it looks like his preparation is rushed. He's still playing what looks to me like college football.

Being a Panthers fan, I don't know how many times I have heard Fox make the statement "we need to go back to the basics" after a hard loss. If you could learn these things in real games, there would be no need for that. You would just learn them every game. The truth is you don't.

[koolkatluke]

I wouldn't want a QB to learn to take snaps while in a game. I would prefer him to already have that down.

Then you would never be a QB because you can't simulate all the different varibles that happen during a game in practice. Plain and simple.

[koolkatluke]

Not to sound like Fox, but the basics are called the basics because that's exactly what they are. Basics. You hardly ever see them in that form in a real game scenario. It just what you rely on, to build everything else on top. You can actually only learn them in practice in isolated and simulated scenarios, step by step.

Then when you get out there and you see something different each and every single week you rely on a basic skill set and adapt it to the game situation. But in order for you to do that on the fly you have to have that poo down pat.

Like others have said, there is no possible positives in learning clock management, throwing over your opponents line so you don't get your passes batted down, how to handle snaps, etc etc....in a game scenario.

That type of stuff is what practice is for. Real game time is using that to the best of your abilities and knowledge and adapting it as the situation calls for it. Jimmy simply doesn't look ready to start. He may be doing his best to get up to speed, but overall it looks like his preparation is rushed. He's still playing what looks to me like college football.

Being a Panthers fan, I don't know how many times I have heard Fox make the statement "we need to go back to the basics" after a hard loss. If you could learn these things in real games, there would be no need for that. You would just learn them every game. The truth is you don't.

Everybody it's Pforlife the scout. P please give me what the basic are that are better too learn in practice then in real game speed?

[chef17]

Then you would never be a QB because you can't simulate all the different varibles that happen during a game in practice. Plain and simple.

There shouldn't be many variables affecting a snap except the center. Taking a snap should come natural, it shouldn't be something that requires the QB to think. The LB can be saying whatever they want, the defense can try and confuse the QB all they want. But if taking a snap is second nature to the QB like it should be then there is no reason to not be able to execute. Plain and simple.

[chef17]

How do you learn how too read a 3-4 def. in pratice when we don't play a 3-4 or have 3-4 coaches?

How do you learn to throw a ball over a dlinemen who is 6-6 when all your de and dt are 6-3, 6-4 or shorter?

He can take a million snaps from kalil in pratice but he won't get the real life bullets you get when a LB is talking about f'n your mommy and barking at you while your doing a hard snap count.

Practice will never replace teaching the basic like real game speed and trial and error.

I agree those first two can be learned in games. By basics, I was refering to throwing motion or taking snaps, things that can be taught in practice.

[PantherFanForLife]

Then you would never be a QB because you can't simulate all the different varibles that happen during a game in practice. Plain and simple.

And again, no game is ever the same which is the entire concept behind "the basics."

It's the ideal set of motions, and routines you go through that you can ONLY learn in practice that you adapt every single week. What you learned last week against the Bears, will probably not show up against the 49ers.

It's like this I'm a guitarist. Say my goal is to play Hendrix's All Along the Watchtower on stage in front of a live audience without mistakes, with soul, while putting on a show.

I can start doing that today and play it live every single day for the next 50 years and I will never be able to do that.

Not until I figure out what techniques are used in the song, what scales it's based on, and then sit down with my guitar, break down each technique and begin practicing them over and over until my muscle memory in my fingers can do them like butter. THEN, and ONLY THEN, can I actually go back and learn the song. With my fingers at strength, and dexterity in place, knowing where everything came from, I can go and achieve that.

It will probably take me a few days or boring practice, things that I will never actually use or perform on stage in a live setting, but it will be that practice time and those basic techniques that will help me achive my main goal...of playing the full song without mistakes on stage. And when I trip, or miss a note, or my guitar gets unplugged I will feel comfortable enough in my song, and the different parts to even recover gracefully without ever having to stop the song.

THAT's the difference.