The better question: How can anyone justify Clausen over Moore?

[PantherFanForLife]

dude, if Moore had put up anything even remotely close to that at the start of the season this wouldn't even be a discussion in the least... =|

Sure and all that means is that this team sucked at the beginning of the season and still sucks on offense 5 games later. All that proved is that Moore can't save a shitty team. And guess what, neither can Clausen.

It doesn't mean Moore went from above average to good QB play to attrocious spontaneously in 7 months. It means the team as a whole did.

And let's be honest what was the reason Clausen was brought in the first place? It wasn't to stink it up as a rookie and be forgiven about it. It was because we thought he could do better than Moore did his first 2 games. He hasn't. And guess what? Moore himself could have probably done a lot better than Moore did in his first two games, given the chance, and Moore could have done a lot better in the past 3 games than Clausen did. No way would have Moore had two halves in 3 games with a QB rating of 0.0 and 6....no fuging way. But Jimmy did.

The possibility that Matt Moore had a bad opening game is simply not even acknowledged around here. If he had no prior experience, or if his previous tries as a starter were crap, I would understand it. But he has previous experience, and his previous starts have been good. But everyone wants to say the 2 games this year means he can't get any better and has reached his peak, when his previous years were better. Makes no f**king sense. Has 0 logic.

[koolkatluke]

that's where we disagree, i feel the new coach will be hired with the understanding that clausen is a part of the future until he shows beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise. i'm not completely sold on clausen yet either & i'm not trying to make the case he is better than Moore right now, but the frontoffice is high on him so he will have amble opportunity to claim the job here. i i don't think it will take 5 years to win more so that JR won't pull the trigger quicj unless something goes real bad

Mj4life is right I have seen more times a new coach is brought in he works with the the young QB who was drafted the year or years before. They always give them a shot 1st.

Jason Cambell

Damarcus Russel

Brady Quinn

How many times has a new coach RESiGNED a QB who was losing with the team before he got their??

Wating!!

[koolkatluke]

Sure and all that means is that this team sucked at the beginning of the season and still sucks on offense 5 games later. All that proved is that Moore can't save a shitty team. And guess what, neither can Clausen.

It doesn't mean Moore went from above average to good QB play to attrocious spontaneously in 7 months. It means the team as a whole did.

And let's be honest what was the reason Clausen was brought in the first place? It wasn't to stink it up as a rookie and be forgiven about it. It was because we thought he could do better than Moore did his first 2 games. He hasn't. And guess what? Moore himself could have probably done a lot better than Moore did in his first two games, given the chance, and Moore could have done a lot better in the past 3 games than Clausen did. No way would have Moore had two halves in 3 games with a QB rating of 0.0 and 6....no f**king way. But Jimmy did.

The possibility that Matt Moore had a bad opening game is simply not even acknowledged around here. If he had no prior experience, or if his previous tries as a starter were crap, I would understand it. But he has previous experience, and his previous starts have been good. But everyone wants to say the 2 games this year means he can't get any better and has reached his peak, when his previous years were better. Makes no f**king sense. Has 0 logic.

If Moore starts the rest of the season do we make the playoffs?

If realisticly no then what is the benefit?

[mav1234]

Sure and all that means is that this team sucked at the beginning of the season and still sucks on offense 5 games later. All that proved is that Moore can't save a shitty team. And guess what, neither can Clausen.

It doesn't mean Moore went from above average to good QB play to attrocious spontaneously in 7 months. It means the team as a whole did.

And let's be honest what was the reason Clausen was brought in the first place? It wasn't to stink it up as a rookie and be forgiven about it. It was because we thought he could do better than Moore did his first 2 games. He hasn't. And guess what? Moore himself could have probably done a lot better than Moore did in his first two games, given the chance, and Moore could have done a lot better in the past 3 games than Clausen did. No way would have Moore had two halves in 3 games with a QB rating of 0.0 and 6....no f**king way. But Jimmy did.

The possibility that Matt Moore had a bad opening game is simply not even acknowledged around here. If he had no prior experience, or if his previous tries as a starter were crap, I would understand it. But he has previous experience, and his previous starts have been good. But everyone wants to say the 2 games this year means he can't get any better and has reached his peak, when his previous years were better. Makes no f**king sense. Has 0 logic.

there is the possibility those games were anomalies. There is also the possibility his first two this season were. However, his performance on Sunday tends to indicate that, while the games last season may not be anomalies, it's possible that now that there is more film on him, something is giving him away.

It wasn't just one bad game, man. Take away that first game, and what does he have?

1 TD, 3 ints... =\

A bad first few games I would agree with. Could that mean he'd have a good season after we put him back in? It's possible. However, *something* made the coaches doubt his performance last year enough to only get him for a year - and I don't think that is because Fox was leaving, but because someone didn't trust him.

[mav1234]

If Moore starts the rest of the season do we make the playoffs?

If realisticly no then what is the benefit?

The benefit could be finding out what Moore has. If Clausen is coming back either way, we at least find out what Moore has with a couple more games. Mind you, I think Clausen keeps starting, and I think he should at least for a couple more games. I'm playing devil's advocate here.

Another benefit is to Clausen, if we go with the "Carring" theory. I don't totally buy into that, though.

A final benefit is that there is at least some chemistry between Moore and Smith, if no one else. This could perhaps give the team as a whole a lift since at least getting one guaranteed TD a game is a nice bonus. =(

[Sloth]

Sure and all that means is that this team sucked at the beginning of the season and still sucks on offense 5 games later. All that proved is that Moore can't save a shitty team. And guess what, neither can Clausen.

It doesn't mean Moore went from above average to good QB play to attrocious spontaneously in 7 months. It means the team as a whole did.

And let's be honest what was the reason Clausen was brought in the first place? It wasn't to stink it up as a rookie and be forgiven about it. It was because we thought he could do better than Moore did his first 2 games. He hasn't. And guess what? Moore himself could have probably done a lot better than Moore did in his first two games, given the chance, and Moore could have done a lot better in the past 3 games than Clausen did. No way would have Moore had two halves in 3 games with a QB rating of 0.0 and 6....no f**king way. But Jimmy did.

The possibility that Matt Moore had a bad opening game is simply not even acknowledged around here. If he had no prior experience, or if his previous tries as a starter were crap, I would understand it. But he has previous experience, and his previous starts have been good. But everyone wants to say the 2 games this year means he can't get any better and has reached his peak, when his previous years were better. Makes no f**king sense. Has 0 logic.

It makes plenty of sense.

Moore is a veteran who has never had any pressure, at all, put on him until this season. Always mop up duty or placed into games with zero meaning. This was his season to prove he could be the man, win games for us and perform at a reasonable level when games actually matter.

He didn't have a bad game at NY, he had an absolute abortion of a game. Bad throws, bad judgment, no pocket presence at all, took coverage sacks.

Ok, one horrible game, no big deal. On to Tampa. Whoops. Not as bad as NY (if that's even possible) but bad. Stats:

6/16 - 125 yards - 37.5 cmp% - 1 TD - 1 INT

His one TD pass was a 5 yard slant to Smith who broke a tackle from Talib and did his crazy YAC thing. The entire 3 quarters Moore was in, we weren't doing anything at all offensively. Nothing.

Anyway, tldr version: Moore is great as long as it doesn't matter.

[Sloth]

Also, one last point.

The only argument you have is that 4-year veteran Moore might be slightly better than our struggling rookie.

Jesus that's a sad endorsement.

[Jaxel]

I suppose you can wait it out with both of them and if both Clausen/Moore suck and you forgo Luck in the draft, you could always go for Barkley next year... Kidding of course.

Need to give it time, I agree Moore was pulled to early, but it is what it is and you should let Clausen takes his lumps and figure it out. Carousel at the QB position only makes things worse.

[koolkatluke]

The benefit could be finding out what Moore has. If Clausen is coming back either way, we at least find out what Moore has with a couple more games. Mind you, I think Clausen keeps starting, and I think he should at least for a couple more games. I'm playing devil's advocate here.

Another benefit is to Clausen, if we go with the "Carring" theory. I don't totally buy into that, though.

A final benefit is that there is at least some chemistry between Moore and Smith, if no one else. This could perhaps give the team as a whole a lift since at least getting one guaranteed TD a game is a nice bonus. =(

Then my ? to you is

Is their more of a benefit finding out if Moore can play or if Clausen can play?

Clausen is going to be here next year what ever happens the rest of the year.

Moore doesn't have a contract after this season and would have too play out of his mind too get one.

[xblaCkpaNther_]

there is the possibility those games were anomalies. There is also the possibility his first two this season were. However, his performance on Sunday tends to indicate that, while the games last season may not be anomalies, it's possible that now that there is more film on him, something is giving him away.

It wasn't just one bad game, man. Take away that first game, and what does he have?

1 TD, 3 ints... =\

A bad first few games I would agree with. Could that mean he'd have a good season after we put him back in? It's possible. However, *something* made the coaches doubt his performance last year enough to only get him for a year - and I don't think that is because Fox was leaving, but because someone didn't trust him.

Agreed.

Seriously? Havent we gone over this? It doesnt matter who our QB is. We could have Peyton under the snap and he wouldnt do poo the way our o-line plays. Even if he scrambles out and makes a perfect pass just like our reciever's have done this year they would drop the ball. Matt Moore was out for a reason. 1. He played like total poo. (Not saying Clausen isnt) 2. We drafted Clausen for a reason. He is our "future franchise QB"

About MM and JC stats, if you put Jimmy under the snap in 2009 whose to say he wouldnt of done just as good as MM. It's a totally differnent team.

[koolkatluke]

It's not about stats and wins and lose anymore. No matter who starts we won't make the playoffs. It's now about finding out if Jimmy is going to fold under the pressure or rise and be a player. If we find out now over this season we can put a top 3 draft pick too good use.

[mj4life]

Moore is just in the wrong place at the wrong time.. no clausen & he probably starts the whole year no questions asked.if anybody wonders how high that FO thinks of clausen only needs to realize that panthers made efforts to move as far up as late into the first round to draft clausen(so he will be around for a while)

[mav1234]

Then my ? to you is

Is their more of a benefit finding out if Moore can play or if Clausen can play?

Clausen is going to be here next year what ever happens the rest of the year.

Moore doesn't have a contract after this season and would have too play out of his mind too get one.

Well, in that line of thinking, it's best we find out what Moore really has before his contract is up, no?

Anyway, Clausen is gonna start I bet, so we'll see.

[Kevin Greene]

Matt Moore has no future as a starter in this league.

Jimmy Clausen may have a future in this league as a starter.

Nothing else needs be said.