You know what I like the youth movement.

[PantherFanForLife]

I can't for the life of me understand why we decided to throw away this season to the rookies when we could have had at least a half decent season with just a few cheap moves, but I do like the new blood and the young age. I'm excited about Devin Thomas being only 23 years old with 2 years under his belt.

I don't know why we just didn't get more guys like this though, left Matt in there this year and left guys like Clausen, Lafell, Gettis, AE learn on the bench, or at least in the latter part of the season if we really could not had any chance. Then bring them in when they are at least game ready which they clearly are not. I still want to see my team win and I will never understand those decisions because even though they are getting game time I seriously doubt this is helping them any more than regular practice would have. Could even be hurting them. (Been better off to have a rookie QB throwing to a couple of seasoned receivers, or a couple of rookies being thrown to by a season QB and gradually bring the rest in) But whatever. I guess we'll just have to live with it.

No reason not to be excited though with all these new changes. I'm kind of stoked to see how we end up by either fall of next year or two years from now, pending the lockout. We should be in a much more flexible position with a low cap compared to the other teams and out of all these rooks at least a couple of them just have to turn out good. And if they do we'll have a couple of young guys with their entire careers ahead of them for pretty cheap. I just really hope its worth it.

I guess I will be entertained more by this inner-workings of the Panthers than what's actually going on on the field this year. So it's not all bad.

[PantherBrew]

[GRWatcher]

I can't for the life of me understand why we decided to throw away this season to the rookies when we could have had at least a half decent season with just a few cheap moves, but I do like the new blood and the young age. I'm excited about Devin Thomas being only 23 years old with 2 years under his belt.

I don't know why we just didn't get more guys like this though, left Matt in there this year and left guys like Clausen, Lafell, Gettis, AE learn on the bench, or at least in the latter part of the season if we really could not had any chance. Then bring them in when they are at least game ready which they clearly are not. I still want to see my team win and I will never understand those decisions because even though they are getting game time I seriously doubt this is helping them any more than regular practice would have. Could even be hurting them. (Been better off to have a rookie QB throwing to a couple of seasoned receivers, or a couple of rookies being thrown to by a season QB and gradually bring the rest in) But whatever. I guess we'll just have to live with it.

No reason not to be excited though with all these new changes. I'm kind of stoked to see how we end up by either fall of next year or two years from now, pending the lockout. We should be in a much more flexible position with a low cap compared to the other teams and out of all these rooks at least a couple of them just have to turn out good. And if they do we'll have a couple of young guys with their entire careers ahead of them for pretty cheap. I just really hope its worth it.

I guess I will be entertained more by this inner-workings of the Panthers than what's actually going on on the field this year. So it's not all bad.

(1) Matt Moore hasn't worked out to leave in. He has shown that he is not the QB we thought he was. IMO he needs a veteran QB on the sideline to help.

(2) The Panthers are hurting the careers of our young players big time. Without good veterans to learn from, on average most of them will probably not be as far along in 3 years as 3 year players on other teams. If I ran another team I wouldn't want to sign a player who is lacking in his NFL education and maturation. Won't happen with everyone but a lot of them.

(3) It's going to take a lot longer than 2 years for the Panthers to be on the winning side of their record. See here: http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2727570&postcount=8

[PantherFanForLife]

(1) Matt Moore hasn't worked out to leave in. He has shown that he is not the QB we thought he was. IMO he needs a veteran QB on the sideline to help.

(2) The Panthers are hurting the careers of our young players big time. Without good veterans to learn from, on average most of them will probably not be as far along in 3 years as 3 year players on other teams. If I ran another team I wouldn't want to sign a player who is lacking in his NFL education and maturation. Won't happen with everyone but a lot of them.

(3) It's going to take a lot longer than 2 years for the Panthers to be on the winning side of their record. See here: http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2727570&postcount=8

You can't possibly say that without ignoring the fact that so far Matt has had a winning streak with this team last year without a vet by his side while Jimmy has only scored one touchdown in 3 games and can't find our star receiver. W's are what makes a QB great, not pedigree. Matt had 1 really bad season opener and one half-ass game. You cannot pass that judgement on Matt's overall potential as a QB simply based on the first 2 games this year with this suck ass team, especially considering last year. If you do, then you are a hypocrite if you think Clausen should continue as our starter. If Clausen gets this many games this season, and that long of a leash, a guy that went 4 out of 5 late last year, with W's under his belt, deserves another shot too at some point if Clausen doesn't show consistent and serious improvement. You cannot convinced me all Matt has to offer is what I saw in the first 2 games because we know how he played last year. I repeat he won 4 out of 5 games. That's a fact.

I say give Clausen 3 more. He has had 1 bad game, 1 good game and 1 attrocious game. If by game 6 he doesn't have at least even a decent day, someone else gets a shot this season.

I'm all for consistency, and 6 games should be plenty for Clausen to show us if he is someone we want to continue to stick with and groom for next year, or if we need to look beyond while he rides the bench and tries to win the job back in practice. If he can't step up he needs to sit down and we need to give Matt another shot, as well as perhaps Pike too. Matt before Pike, imo. If Matt goes back to throwing just as many picks as TD's yank him out after 3 and give the last 3 to Pike.

Armanty Edwards is just too far off I think to truly look at him this year.

Honestly now guys. Considering we went ahead and threw away this season, I don't care who is under center, but we need to turn it into a serious tryout for QB's and not into "let's help Clausen get ready" year because so far he has not convinced me he's going to be our guy. No point in wasting opportunities to find our next QB on a guy that may not be the guy, despite how much some want it to happen if Clausen doesn't show he has what it takes to lead us next year.

You guys need to put your personal biases aside on this one, and realize that we need to find out if we have something in this QB crew or not before draft time. If we don't, we need to draft us another one because I don't want 2011 or 2012 to be another repeat.

[WhiteKnight]

You actually need confidence from the other team mates. I could not believe that either one has that confidence.

Once you lose that confidence it is extremely hard to every have complete confidence in a QB.

[jarhead]

I think this years lack of success clearly lies on the back of management.They may not have anticipated it would be this bad but the fact is you cannot hide your QB in the NFL and you are only as strong as your weakest link.You cannot be a cheap ass in this league.

[CLTPanther]

Jesus christ. Can you start another thread on why you want to know why Moore isnt starting?

[rayzor]

Jesus christ. Can you start another thread on why you want to know why Moore isnt starting?

he's a broken record that really just needs to be thrown out.

[GRWatcher]

You can't possibly say that without ignoring the fact that so far Matt has had a winning streak with this team last year without a vet by his side while Jimmy has only scored one touchdown in 3 games and can't find our star receiver. W's are what makes a QB great, not pedigree. Matt had 1 really bad season opener and one half-ass game. You cannot pass that judgement on Matt's overall potential as a QB simply based on the first 2 games this year with this suck ass team, especially considering last year. If you do, then you are a hypocrite if you think Clausen should continue as our starter. If Clausen gets this many games this season, and that long of a leash, a guy that went 4 out of 5 late last year, with W's under his belt, deserves another shot too at some point if Clausen doesn't show consistent and serious improvement. You cannot convinced me all Matt has to offer is what I saw in the first 2 games because we know how he played last year. I repeat he won 4 out of 5 games. That's a fact.

If I even thought for 1 minute that you paid attention to anything last year, I'd read all the words in your post. But I won't because you obviously didn't. Your facts are flawed.

Matt Moore had Jake Delhomme, Josh McCowan (on IR but there every week), and AJ Feeley on the sideline last year.

I'm not passing judgement on anybody. I actually can see who is on the field, including the sidelines, and who is playing. And I can see how they are playing.

End of discussion with you. I'm not wasting time with someone who doesn't pay attention and only spouts. Sorry.