For those of you wanting to draft a QB in the 1st round...

[Fox007]

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but Davidson probably had a huge voice in the drafting of Stewart and then moving up to get Otah. IMO he is taking over the drafting on the offensive side of the ball and with what he did this year with the running game the organization might feel like he deserves to have a shot to develop his own QB. We did just bring in a new QB coach based on his recommendations and out of all of the coaches, Jeff Davidson was probably the most successful this year. The offense WAY outperformed the defense and Davidson could be rewarded for that on draft day....just a thought.

Not to mention, Jake didn't exactly have stellar year this year and Davidson could be thinking about what he could do with the pieces on offense if he had a more efficient QB.

Well IMO, this year isn't the year to get that QB, next year seems like a better year.(but who knows)

The whole thing about the draft though, is that there should definitely be a cap for rookies when they are drafted, that would help the league as a whole so much.

[rayzor]

I'm not as much for drafting a QB in the first either but what gets me is the unwillingness, or the perception of, to not draft a QB at all. The only time they did was in the 4th or 5th round for LeFors. Thats not what I consider to be "going after" a QB in the draft.

In another thread I posted where Fox and Hurney had passed on 3 starting quarterbacks in the NFL after the first round. Matt Schaub, Tavaris Jackson and Trent Edwards. Schaub and Edwards they could have even gotten in the 3rd.

Not drafting a QB in the first I can live with but to not take a chance at all in the 2nd or even 3rd round just isn't smart. Especially considering how many of those non-QB 2nd and 3rd round choices were bust themselves.

I'm kind of confused by this last comment because it contradicts your point. I only looked briefly at the QBs taken after the 1st but with each round you will find that no matter what round you are picking in you are going to find it difficult to find a QB that will work.

Matt Schaub came in a good draft class, well, the top of it was good. Schaub was picked in the 3rd round. JP Losman was picked in the first round of that draft. Who was the better bargain? Was there any way of knowing that then? Tarvaris Jackson was the 5th of 7 taken in the first 3 rounds. Kellen Clemmens was taken before him Brodie Croyle was taken after him.

The 2002 draft class had 15 QBs in it. There were 10 in the first 5 rounds. Only one of those is starting today. David Garrard. He was the 5th taken and went in the 4th round.

It is a crapshoot. Pure and simple. Finding one that one who can lead your team is rare. It doesn't matter where you get your QBs from, chances are you are going to be wasting money acquiring them and keeping them on your roster. We could do better than Jake in the draft, most likely we wouldn't. Most likely there will be only 2 QBs taken in the draft next year of probably 10-15 drafted who will be better than Jake. One could be in the first round and one in the 6th. Both could be in the 4th. You want to be on which QB taken will be it? You wouldn't be any better at guessing who it will be that is better picking now not knowing who is taken when than you would be seeing the final draft list.

No one knows for sure how a draft is going to work out. No one knows how long it is going to be before they have their picks succeed or how long it is going to be before they bust.

[rayzor]

I am not really for or against drafting a QB in the 1st, I'm just saying.......

ALL draft picks are a risk, period........

Some more costly than others, true.

But think about this, what really is the problem? The money?

Shouldn't there be a rookie salary limit? A first round QB shouldn't be making 70+million $$

How big of a risk would it be if that #1 overall was only worth 10-15 mil guaranteed as opposed to 30+?

yes, there should be a rookie salary cap. the NFLPA would never vote for it but still there should be one.

until there is one, the higher the draft pick, especially for QBs taken in the first round, the greater the risk at a reward that can be gained with a lot less risk in going after a late round pick, an UDFA, or a free agent picked up from another team who has already been paid by another team to carry the clipboard for someone.

all of those people clamoring over matt cassell this season would have done nothing but laugh at the idea of us not only drafting someone who never started a game in college. Before this season no one would have said, hey, i see potential in this kid" without getting laughed at and made to look like a fool. i don't want cassell but still, it was only after he filled in for brady (a 6th round pick that no one would have believed would be as successful as he is) that anyone ever looked at him.

the answer isn't always in the draft, especially early. In fact it very rarely is.

[TheJza]

boy do the 99 and 02 drafts look like QB bust or what :eek:

'99 was decent when considering that McNabb and Culpepper at one point or even current, depending on which one you speak of, were/are top flight Qbs in the league. The others in '99 were dreadful, mind you!

A lot of how QBs develop is just that. What system are they in. Do the coaches put them in a position to play to their strengths. What do they have around them. Clearly, many of your Top 10 picks are drafted into losing programs, and have an even bigger hill to climb.

Personally, I am in favor of taking a quarterback early in the draft (rounds 1-3), to groom and develop, along with Moore.

[chbright]

we have 33 1st in 14 years, but in the rest of the rounds i bet the number is well over 3 times as high. out of 70 top 5 slots, 33 are filled by 1st rounders (young is a 1st rounder, bucs gave 1 up to get him in the Supplemental draft). thats almost 1/2 the slots out of 1 round. hmmmmmmm seams to me if there is 1 round to find a top 5 (for atleast 1 year) its outa the 1st round.

[Fireball77]

I am of the belief that the only way you should take a 1st round QB if you have a pretty solid team. Had this team had a good defense and a first rounder this coming year (and a decent crop to select from which I am not sure is the case this year with QBs), they would be in a decent position to do it. Flacco came to a situation like that as did Roethlisberger. But I agree with Rayzor pretty much 100% on everything he said. Nice posts, Rayzor.

[rayzor]

we have 33 1st in 14 years, but in the rest of the rounds i bet the number is well over 3 times as high. out of 70 top 5 slots, 35 are filled by 1st rounders (young is a 1st rounder, bucs gave 1 up to get him in the Supplemental draft). thats 1/2 the slots out of 1 round. hmmmmmmm seams to me if there is 1 round to find a top 5 (for atleast 1 year) its outa the 1st round.

so we draft a 1st rounder hoping to have a top 5 QB for a year, maybe two?

[Spike]

Need to draft a QB at some point, you cant keep putting the future on the position in the hands of undrafted scrubs like Moore and Basanez.

[rayzor]

better off drafting joey harrington or ryan leaf?

[Fox007]

better off drafting joey harrington or ryan leaf?

As opposed to what, drafting Beason and STLL not making it to the Super Bowl...

Seriously man, that lame argument doesn't hold any weight, especially since we are not that successful a team.

(and drafting all those 1st round picks on defense and our defense still sucks)

(or drafting all those first round running backs and JUST NOW getting two good backs)

[chbright]

of the 70 that occupied a top 5 slot:

33/70 from the 1st = 47%

9/70 from the 2nd = 13%

3/70 from the 3rd = 4%

5/70 from the 4th 7%

1/70 in the 5th 2%

3/70 in the 6th 4%

0/70 7th 0%

16 ND (atleast would have been in the modern format) 23%

6/33 1st rounders after 1994 draft have been multiple time top 5 guys right:

thats 18%

1 out of the 2nd (brees) out of all the 2nd rounders from 1994 on. bet there are more than 5 total in that span (which would acould for 20%, any more and your worse off).

1 out of the 6th (brady) out of all the 6th rounders from 1994 on. bet there are more than 5 total in that span (which would acould for 20%, any more and your worse off).

2 ND out of the ND (warner and romo) out of all the undrafteds from 1994 on. bet there are more than 9 total in that span (which would acould for 20%, any more and your worse off).

so from guys that became eligable or drafted 1st still wins on best chance at getting a guy. keep spinning it.

[Fox007]

Yup, I mean it isn't like any of our other draft picks have taken us anywhere.........

[rayzor]

As opposed to what, drafting Beason and STLL not making it to the Super Bowl...

Seriously man, that lame argument doesn't hold any weight, especially since we are not that successful a team.

(and drafting all those 1st round picks on defense and our defense still sucks)

(or drafting all those first round running backs and JUST NOW getting two good backs)

so we should just keep drafting QBs until we find the right one? how many 1st round draft picks have paid off and won their teams superbowls?

i'm just saying that drafting a 1st rounder doesn't help our chances of getting to the superbowl all that much. history has shown that to be true. you are more likely to get a bust than you are someone who can get you a ring.

[Fox007]

so we should just keep drafting QBs until we find the right one? how many 1st round draft picks have paid off and won their teams superbowls?

i'm just saying that drafting a 1st rounder doesn't help our chances of getting to the superbowl all that much. history has shown that to be true. you are more likely to get a bust than you are someone who can get you a ring.

It has also shown that it is worth the risk to try every so often, depending on your teams make-up.

What Super pressing needs do we have?

We need everything along the defensive line, so suppose we do draft all Dline, and our defense still sucks.

Yet we could get a QB that could make our offense good enough to make up for how bad the defense would be w/o those Dline picks........