For those of you wanting to draft a QB in the 1st round...

[JungleCat]

If we get a first round pick (Peppers trade), I wouldn't spend it on a QB this year. I would build up our defense as much as possible.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I am interested in Graham Harrell.

[rayzor]

If we get a first round pick (Peppers trade), I wouldn't spend it on a QB this year. I would build up our defense as much as possible.

that would be the smarter thing to do.

defense is the big concern. our offense is pretty good, QB goof ups aside.

[rayzor]

Indy and Pitt didn't just draft QB's on the first. They drafted Peyton and Big Ben. There's a difference.

This is something to consider. these guys are the huge exceptions to the rule.

peyton is going to go down as one of the best QBs ever. More than that he will go down as the smartest QB to ever play the game , and maybe the smartest football player to ever play the game. he is the OC for the colts when he is on the field. he runs that offense in a way that no other QB does.

big ben, on the other hand, isn't the most graceful or even close to the best QB out there but what he has is command of that team's offense. he has been successful because of the players around him and the way they look at him. he has been put into a great situation. you look at what that team has done this year and it isn't pretty offensively. in fact it has been down right ugly. the oline has been hurt and soft (remember they have hartwig at center). they didn't get there because of big ben, they got there because of their defense. big ben has done some crazy things that has pulled them out at the last minute in some close situations. anyway, you don't find someone like him very often at all. his situation is unique.

[matrix]

Fox has never drafted a QB in first round and will not this year either.

[CLTPanther]

That's why I'm not big on 1st QB's, bust potential tends to be high for what you have to pay them. Guess this past year was the year to go after a 1st round QB.

[rayzor]

Fox has never drafted a QB in first round and will not this year either.

It isn't just Fox.

The only one ever drafted in the first by the panthers was kerry collins.

QBs do not get drafted in the 1st round very often. Doing so doesn't mean that you are going to be successful.

Much more than half of the ones drafted in the first never lived up to their 1st round status. It has a higher chance of being a wasted pick than being successful.

[raleigh-panther]

Thinking back, Panthers also had a chance to draft Drew Brees in the 2nd round; didn't do that either; so, its not just the first round.

Guess we can cointinue to try and find a 'grocery stocker' miracle of our own until then.

We have had plenty of draft misses as well, not just in the first round.

At some point, we must have a QB with a decent arm, who can manage the game and not make multiple mistakes in the redzone.

The one thing, and really the only thing, the Panthers have ever asked of Delhomme is to manage the game and not turn the ball over.

...said beating a dead horse once again.

[Fox007]

There have been 3 Superbowls in that time that no 1st round QBs were in.

I think that says the most.................regardless of your stance..........

11 of the last 14 Superbowls will have had a 1st round QB in it.

Seems like the investment is worth it.

[Spike]

Thinking back, Panthers also had a chance to draft Drew Brees in the 2nd round; didn't do that either; so, its not just the first round.

Drew Brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round, the Panthers didnt pick until 14(IIRC) spots later.

[rayzor]

I think that says the most.................regardless of your stance..........

11 of the last 14 Superbowls will have had a 1st round QB in it.

Seems like the investment is worth it.

The only problem with that is how many 1st round high $$ contract and cap figure gambles haven't paid off? there have only been 6 1st round QBs out of 28 total QBs who have gone to the superbowl who have come away with a ring. Only one 1st rounder has won it twice.

There is a thinking that our chance of getting to and winning the superbowl goes up dramatically by drafting a QB in the first but over the years it has been proven that it just doesn't give you that much of an advantage. Whether you draft one in the first, 3rd, or get an undrafted QB, you are trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

IT is a risk either way with no promise at all that it will pay off. Both ways bring a high reward, the risk doesn't have to be astronomically high like it is with a 1st rounder.

[mountainpantherfan]

i understood what you were getting at about it looking very similar to just about every other position. the truth is, though, a lot more is expected out of the QBs, especially 1st rounders and there is this assumption that drafting one or not drafting one is almost a matter of life or death for an organization.

there have been some QBs drafted in the first round that have been really impressive but there are a whole lot more who are not. many are mediocre, many others are total busts for one reason or another.

it is a huge risk drafting anyone in the first, but especially a QB because of what that position means to a team. the evidence shows that most of the time it just doesn't pay off. i don't blame hurney or any other GM for not chasing after QBs in the 1st round.

I'm not as much for drafting a QB in the first either but what gets me is the unwillingness, or the perception of, to not draft a QB at all. The only time they did was in the 4th or 5th round for LeFors. Thats not what I consider to be "going after" a QB in the draft.

In another thread I posted where Fox and Hurney had passed on 3 starting quarterbacks in the NFL after the first round. Matt Schaub, Tavaris Jackson and Trent Edwards. Schaub and Edwards they could have even gotten in the 3rd.

Not drafting a QB in the first I can live with but to not take a chance at all in the 2nd or even 3rd round just isn't smart. Especially considering how many of those non-QB 2nd and 3rd round choices were bust themselves.

[Fox007]

The only problem with that is how many 1st round high $$ contract and cap figure gambles haven't paid off? there have only been 6 1st round QBs out of 28 total QBs who have gone to the superbowl who have come away with a ring. Only one 1st rounder has won it twice.

There is a thinking that our chance of getting to and winning the superbowl goes up dramatically by drafting a QB in the first but over the years it has been proven that it just doesn't give you that much of an advantage. Whether you draft one in the first, 3rd, or get an undrafted QB, you are trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

IT is a risk either way with no promise at all that it will pay off. Both ways bring a high reward, the risk doesn't have to be astronomically high like it is with a 1st rounder.

I am not really for or against drafting a QB in the 1st, I'm just saying.......

ALL draft picks are a risk, period........

Some more costly than others, true.

But think about this, what really is the problem? The money?

Shouldn't there be a rookie salary limit? A first round QB shouldn't be making 70+million $$

How big of a risk would it be if that #1 overall was only worth 10-15 mil guaranteed as opposed to 30+?

[unicar15]

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but Davidson probably had a huge voice in the drafting of Stewart and then moving up to get Otah. IMO he is taking over the drafting on the offensive side of the ball and with what he did this year with the running game the organization might feel like he deserves to have a shot to develop his own QB. We did just bring in a new QB coach based on his recommendations and out of all of the coaches, Jeff Davidson was probably the most successful this year. The offense WAY outperformed the defense and Davidson could be rewarded for that on draft day....just a thought.

Not to mention, Jake didn't exactly have stellar year this year and Davidson could be thinking about what he could do with the pieces on offense if he had a more efficient QB.