How can anyone justify Moore over Clausen at this point?

[Debil]

I'm just here to look at your sig again.

Yeah... wonder if she blows?

[The Saltman]

Yeah... wonder if she blows?

I would love to find out.

[CatMan72]

You can't at this point, Moore came in the game and threw 2 picks trying to force the ball.

Clausen may not do anything spectacular, but he doesn't force the ball like Moore and generate picks.

Clausen is clearly the best QB we have on the roster right now. I was sitting in the end zone with a view right over Clausen's shoulder... there wasn't anyone open on the majority of the plays. Hard to evaluate a rookie QB when he's working with a whole squad of rookie WR's.

[CRA]

You can't at this point, Moore came in the game and threw 2 picks trying to force the ball.

Clausen may not do anything spectacular, but he doesn't force the ball like Moore and generate picks.

Clausen is clearly the best QB we have on the roster right now. I was sitting in the end zone with a view right over Clausen's shoulder... there wasn't anyone open on the majority of the plays. Hard to evaluate a rookie QB when he's working with a whole squad of rookie WR's.

No he didn't Moore. Moore threw 1 pick on the last play of the game b/c the ONLY play....was to take a shot at the endzone. That was it. Other than that Moore sat in the pocket and made good throws. Clausen hasn't done that. The only other pick was on Edwards, not Moore.

Clausen clearly can't function and handle basics. That makes Moore better.

[CatMan72]

No he didn't Moore. Moore threw 1 pick on the last play of the game b/c the ONLY play was to take a shot at the endzone. That was it. Other than that Moore sat in the pocket and made good throws. Clausen hasn't done that. The only other pick was on Edwards, not Moore.

Clausen clearly can't function and handle basics. That makes Moore better.

At this point Moore has more picks-per-attempt than Clausen, how does that make him a better QB?

Clausen is a rooke and he's playing like a rookie, Moore is a 4 year vet who is also playing like a rookie - I'd take the rookie.

[Sloth]

They're both fuging terrible. Does it matter?

[CRA]

At this point Moore has more picks in less playing time than Clausen, how does that make him a better QB?

stats don't tell you a full story. Never have, never will. Moore came in yesterday and did what he suppose to do. He did what Clausen wasn't doing. He stayed in the pocket and looked to make a throw.

Sure, Moore could have thrown the last pass away. The last play of the game could have been a thrown away ball....but that would have been retarded.

[PantherDude]

Somebody call this man NOW!!!

He should replace Rip.....now!! :thumbsup:

[Panthers128]

The team is terrible. Common sense says play the rook to give him EXP, but Clausen won't stay in the pocket and won't throw down field. He's developing bad habits and can't even do the basics (receive snaps, sell play action, hand off, etc). At this point you worry if they're developing him into a bad qb.

Moore's passes lack velocity sometimes and seem to float. He has to make better decisions on his deep passes because of this especially. this pass will work on a seam route to a TE but not in double coverage to a WR.

I'm fine with either starting, but whoever starts has to stay in the pocket, throw down the field and limit turnovers. Clausen needs to take more risks, Moore needs to play smarter, Armanti Edwards needs to go to the CFL etc. 2 turnovers are fine if you pass for 2TDs as well. 4 TOs can't happen.

[blackcatgrowl]

Clausen...52.2 rating

Moore...33.3 rating

That is all.

Matt Moore - 10 starts - 6-4 (first three starts 2-1)

Jimmy Clausen - 3 starts - 0-3

That is all.

[panthers55]

When Moore was taken out for poor performance, the general concensus was that it was Moore's fault and another quarterback could offer better results. So most everyone including myself was fine to put Clausen in to see what happens. I was in favor of giving him a couple of games to see what he could do.

After seeing him for 3 games it is apparent to everyone that the quarterback is a problem but not the main problem. So by extension Moore's initial performance doesn't appear as bad as it did after game 2.

Now the real question is who is the better guy for this year at quarterback. Frankly it is splitting hairs at this point and I am not sure either of them can do all that great.

But as we have debated back and forth, Clausen gives us more mobility although after getting sacked 5 times, that is really relative. And Clausen will take the safe checkdown throw and avoid the interception. Problem is that he can't move the sticks and seems pretty bad on third down. In fact he is averaging 5 yards a passing attempt. In 3 games he has 1 TD throwing the ball. The last guy who played like that, David Carr, was booed into oblivion.

Is Moore the solution? I think we ought to let him play a few more games to see. After all he has a history of doing well. The pressure is surely off right now which is when he actually plays well, and Clausen is lost out there. He needs time to watch and learn on the sidelines after having some game time experience. Clausen isn't going to be damaged by sitting nor is there any reason to believe he will get better simply by playing.

If Moore comes out and stinks it up again, it isn't like we can't put Clausen back in. I suspect more fans at this point will come back to see Moore play again versus more of the same with Clausen. Hey if that fails, bring in Edwards. With all the App fans, might help fill the stadium.

[mav1234]

this whole "Clausen can't sell play action" stuff is only sometimes true. On the play he missed Lafell, he sold the play action well and it would have payed off if the guy could have actually thrown it to him instead of 5 yards short, grr.

Can't give Moore a pass on his interceptions. He threw a poor ball on a slant, even if AE should have caught it, and then lofted one into triple coverage. I know he was just trying to get a TD, and I like the guy a lot, but yeah. Not all his fault, but here's the reality: With the receiving core & ol we had yesterday, both QBs would look terrible until garbage time. Clausen was getting hammered, and it clearly shook him up. Moore just showed he still has terrible decision making.

So yeah. I would go with the one who I think has greater upside. We're just going to go in circles wit h this; neither QB would have won us a game this season.

edit: P55, if Moore only does well when the pressure is off, how is it going to really do much to benefit the team? I think it'd be better to have the younger QB grow with a young receiving corps... if, of course, he can get enough protection. If Moore is not going to come in and really help, then playing him may hurt the team in the longterm... especially if he throws picks every 4 throws like it seems like he has.

I agree on the sacks bit. The Bears just completely dominated our O-Line, and when we tried to adjust to that with quick throws etc, our receivers just dropped balls until Clausen just lost all confidence. That's my concern about putting him back out there and also not putting him back out there: his long term confidence.

[monstercat]

At least MM has produced a few drives that lasted longer than a minute. JC has one good drive (in the Bengals game), so far and has done nothing before or since.

[Millions]

It really doesn't matter who starts as I've been saying since yesterday they both are struggling behind center. Fact is it makes more sense to start the guy that is under contract here for next season and needs the experience. Only way people can justify Moore starting again is a combo of a few opinions.

They think this season is not over for us so maybe a change will give us a spark, or Moore has not played like a rookie since this has been HIS team. Or maybe just maybe they want him to get another shot to try to earn another contract here thinking his early play was a fluke. Since he has an ok track record as our starter.