How can anyone justify Moore over Clausen at this point?

[CatMan72]

Right, 6 out of the 59 passes Moore has attempted this year have resulted in an interception :eek:

3 out of the 91 passes Clausen (the rookie) has attempted this year have resulted in an interception.

2 out of the 59 passes Moore has attempted this year have resulted in a TD.

1 out of the 91 passes Clausen has attempted this year have resulted in a TD.

Let's also consider that 22 of the 91 total passing attempts by Clausen came from the Bears game, with no Steve Smith on the field while both of the TD's Matt More has thrown this year have been to Steve Smith.

Nobody wants to discuss this, huh...

[CatMan72]

Not so much passing judgment as making observations. Some people take those observations for what they are, others don't want to see what's really happening and twist it how they want it to be, or wished it would be. Most observations are just as valid as others, unless it comes from Clawsome.

I just think it's way to early to label Clausen as anything, but it's clear he gives us a better chance to win that Moore based on his body of work this year.

[TheRealDeal]

No one wants to discuss it because you have shown twice now that you have made up stats and that the stats that you do use that are real are so far out of left field that they mean nothing. How you can choose to focus on something like that but completely ignore PPG is beyond me. How about the fact that Moore has more completions on 3rd down for first down than Clausen does? You can find any stat to prove anything but the ones that matter speak for themselves. That's why no one is discussing it.

[AceMan]

Nobody wants to discuss this, huh...

Less facts, more Team Moore/Clausen!!!

[TheRealDeal]

I just think it's way to early to label Clausen as anything, but it's clear he gives us a better chance to win that Moore based on his body of work this year.

Haha how can you say that? This guy struggles moving the ball and our offense as a whole gets statistically worse. Clausen has yet to put up the amount of points Moore did in a game and Moore had a concussion mixed into that game.

[koolkatluke]

Why do we always mention only hall of famers when talking about Clausen comparisons?/ How about one closer to home- Weinke who was our last quarterback to play at a rookie. He had a better pedigree than Clausen, much better mechanics, and had everything to be a prototypical quarterback in the league.

I think Weinke would have been given more of a chance if he wasn't 26-27 years old when Fox got here. Wenkie already had were on his body from a pro baseball carear and Fox didn't see him as the future of this team only a back up.

He played 15 games his rookie year with better results than Clausen had. He didn't fall apart, got plenty beaten up, and was as tough as Clausen is.

Problem was that when Fox came in he went with a veteran instead of 2nd year player and never really liked Weinke. There is more liklihood that

he will crap out like Weinke versus the liklihood that Clausen will turn into a hall of famer. How many current quarterbacks are future hall of famers? Have we ever had one in our history? Why is Clausen going to suddenly be one??

None was Weinke fault his age played a role in Fox's mind.

And I can think of 3 quarterbacks off the top of my head who sat for a few years and when they actually did come in played well from day 1. Which shoots the hell out of your theory that you can't get better sitting on the bench going to practice everyday. In fact every coach will tell you that practice is where you learn to play. Gametime is where you show what you have learned. Sure you need some of both but Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, and Matt Cassel would tell you that game expereince isn't the only place or even perhaps the best place to learn to play the game.

They only sat because they had great QB's in front of them. This is not the situation here. The other QB who started in their rookie season were on team who didn't have a serviceable starter. P55 if you would read my post I was not comparing jimmy too HOF QB. I was just saying that some people are made too be QBs and some are not. You only find this out by playing them.

[MurkN]

I don't know how Clausen will turn out, neither do you - but I know it's foolish to pass judgement on a rookie QB after 3 starts, or start making comparisons to other rookie QB's after 3 starts.

For Jimmy's first 3 starts, he has completed 43 of 91 attempts for 454 yards. 47.3 completion percentage. 4.99 yards per attempt. 1 TD, 3 INT. Sacked 9 times. QB rating of 52.

During Matt's 3 game stretch in his rookie year, he completed 63 of 111 attempts for 730 yards. 56.8 completion percentage. 6.6 yards per attempt. 3 TD, 5 INT. Sacked twice. QB rating of 67.

So far Jimmy needs to work on throwing passes beyond 5 yards and work on staying inside the pocket a little longer. Rolling out should be the next to last option aside from throwing the ball away.

[CatMan72]

No one wants to discuss it because you have shown twice now that you have made up stats and that the stats that you do use that are real are so far out of left field that they mean nothing. How you can choose to focus on something like that but completely ignore PPG is beyond me. How about the fact that Moore has more completions on 3rd down for first down than Clausen does? You can find any stat to prove anything but the ones that matter speak for themselves. That's why no one is discussing it.

Don't believe the stats I'm quoting, then go look them up.

It is hard to believe Matt has thrown 6 picks out of 59 attempts...

[TheRealDeal]

Got it. You win that stat. Now onto other more important things. Or are you going to ignore those because they don't benefit you?

[CatMan72]

Jimmy has completed 43 of 91 attempts for 454 yards. 47.3 completion percentage. 4.99 yards per attempt. 1 TD, 3 INT. Sacked 9 times. QB rating of 52.

During Matt's rookie year, he completed 63 of 111 attempts for 730 yards. 56.8 completion percentage. 6.6 yards per attempt. 3 TD, 5 INT. Sacked twice. QB rating of 67.

So far Jimmy needs to work on throwing passes beyond 5 yards and work on staying inside the pocket a little longer. Rolling out should be the next to last option aside from throwing the ball away.

This is a good example of why those comparisons don't work - Matt was working with a mostly different set of personnel that year.

[TheRealDeal]

Okay Catman, what about the PPG and third down %?

[MurkN]

This is a good example of why those comparisons don't work - Matt was working with a mostly different set of personnel that year.

Yeah he had the amazing Drew Carter and Keary Colbert to throw the ball to.

[koolkatluke]

Plain and simple Real Deal and others we are not going to do anything this year (JR has made it so). Who has a better chance of being on this roster next year Moore or Clausen? Before you start going too we don't know excuse so you don't have too anwser the ? be realistic.

[CatMan72]

Got it. You win that stat. Now onto other more important things. Or are you going to ignore those because they don't benefit you?

Back to my thesis, the # 1 job of the QB is to protect the ball and so far this season, Clausen has been significantly better than Moore at that while being much more comparable in just about every other statistical category where Moore leads.

I'm re-hashing the same valid argument over and over again and getting nowhere, so I'm outta this thread. I've made my point quite clearly several times and backed it up with relavent, meaningful stats.

I'll give you the last word.

GO PANTHERS!