How can anyone justify Moore over Clausen at this point?

[CatMan72]

100% of Brad Smith's passes are TDs...see how stat's mean nothing? I'm done arguing with you because obviously you are set in your ways that not turning it over somehow trumps scoring points. I just don't see how that makes sense but I'll take the high road and wait until we play the 49ers to see what makes sense.

So how many passing attempts does Brad Smith have this year compared to Moore and Clausen?

Sorry - that's an apples to oranges comparison.

Got anything else?

[CatMan72]

Keep in mind, we're talking about Moore vs. Clausen here and Clausen has a MUCH better TD/INT ratio than Moore.

Yes Moore has moved the offense better, but what good does that do if you are throwing an INT one out of every 10 passing attempts?

[TheRealDeal]

My point was that stat's can be skewed any way you want them to. Moore doesn't have that many pass attempts either but you make it seem like his whole career he has been a turnover machine when that's not true.

[TheRealDeal]

Do you not get that even with Moore's interceptions he has still put up more points per game than Clausen?

Or if you can't answer that...What good is not being able to move the ball even if you don't turn it over?

[panthers55]

Well, you thought wrong... but don't take my word for it, go to one of these ESPN chats and ask an expert what the # 1 job of a QB is, you'll get the same answer.

P.S. the # 1 job of the QB is to protect the ball (maintain posession) because there is a direct correlation between the QB maintaining posession and winning.

Not close. The main job of a running back is to gain yards and protect the ball.

The job of the quarterback is to direct the offense, read the defense, make approriate adjustments and either hand off the ball or throw it to make first downs and score points. If all the Qb had to do was protect the ball he could kneel down 3 times every possession and punt. Maintaining possession as you yourself said is a function of making first downs, moving the sticks and scoring points. Clausen has done none of those. In his three games he has averaged less than 100 yards a game and less than 5 yards an attempt. Only 24 of his 91 passing attempts have gone for first downs. That translates to 2 passing first downs a quarter or 8 a game. On third down he is 7 for 29 on making first downs or 24%. Absolutely dead last in every category way below that other rookie, Bradford.

[CatMan72]

My point was that stat's can be skewed any way you want them to. Moore doesn't have that many pass attempts either but you make it seem like his whole career he has been a turnover machine when that's not true.

I'm talking about this year, comparing what Moore did last year to what Clausen is doing this year would not be fair either.

Once again, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[CatMan72]

Do you not get that even with Moore's interceptions he has still put up more points per game than Clausen?

Or if you can't answer that...What good is not being able to move the ball even if you don't turn it over?

Right, 2% more scoring and 7% more interceptions.

[TheRealDeal]

Keep in mind, we're talking about Moore vs. Clausen here and Clausen has a MUCH better TD/INT ratio than Moore.

Now I'm really starting to question your stats. Look over that TD/INT ratio again and tell me who's is better

[ElkinPanthersFan]

One could hope they are telling AE to put in more work and learn the playbook at QB.. It really cant get any worse this season.

Well Beason could get hurt..

[CatMan72]

Now I'm really starting to question your stats. Look over that TD/INT ratio again and tell me who's is better

Moore throws 2.857 times as many int's as td's.

Clausen throws 2.75 times as many int's as td's.

[chef17]

2.75 as many interceptions as touchdowns is slightly better than 2.857. I wouldn't say its much better

[TheRealDeal]

Where are you getting these numbers

Clausen: 1 TD 3 INT

Moore: 2 TD 6 INT

That would be the same ratio bud. And they both have lost 2 fumbles even though Clausen has fumbled 7 times and Moore only 3 times.

[mav1234]

I must be missing something - Isn't Jimmy at 1 TD, 3 INT, and Moore at 2 TD, 6 INT?

on the other hand, considering how many fewer passes Moore has thrown, lol 6 INTs

[TheRealDeal]

Yeah the math in this thread is questionable at best. It just depends on how you want the stats to look. Got a meeting. Be back in an hour