If first round QBs are "destined busts" as people like to refer them to...

[Fox007]

How do you know those players would have made the same impact here?

Easiest counter ever, how do you know those players wouldn't have made a BIGGER impact here than they did where they went?

The street goes both ways.

I know, I know, you were SOOOOOO obviously right.........:coolgleamA:

[Delhommey]

So basically if we could have gotten Roethlisberger with the 28th pick of the draft, people would be happy with Fox and Hurney?

[frash.exe]

Why would a team use a top ten pick on a Boom or Bust corner when they could get a stud QB?

How do we know that Hurney would have not taken Big Ben if given the chance?

This is not a strong argument.

because when you consider that Jake Delhomme tore his elbow, required surgery, spent months in rehab, is 33 (at the time) and was deemed a major question mark by everybody else but Panthers fans, and the FO's best move to bolster QB is to trade a late round draft pick for a QB who was 2-7 as a starter for his previous team, you start to not really think they don't care much to getting a top prospect in as a young, talented option.

Hell, 2007 was as good an example of why we need a talented heir as you can see. Delhomme got hurt and we were caught with our pants down. And as far as what Carr was "supposed" to be when we signed him, he was shell-shocked and ruined by houston and he didn't even get a chance to really learn the playbook before he was thrown in.

[Delhommey]

So this is all about Flacco then? You were wanting them to take Flacco over Stewart?

[Fox007]

So this is all about Flacco then? You were wanting them to take Flacco over Stewart?

I think his point is, that it doesn't matter what name your trying to dish out, that just because a QB was a bust for another team doesn't mean they would have busted for us.

Likely one of the successful ones would have sucked for us, who knows.

You won't ever get a stud QB like Manning or Rivers etc, etc, etc, if you never try.

You think Manning would be a perennial HOF if he played for the Panthers?

Most QB's do fail that are drafted in the first round, but they also go to a crap team most of the time.

[frash.exe]

So this is all about Flacco then? You were wanting them to take Flacco over Stewart?

Who expected us to take Stewart in the first place then? IIRC he wasn't high on anybody's radar on here for us to draft. Most of us wanted one of the LTs or Derrick Harvey.

I know I wanted Clady, but if they drafted Flacco instead, I would've understood their motive. I also know that as far as this board is concerned, a Flacco pick at 13 would've elicited a collective gasp of horror for most of us. But that's not me. I don't hate on a draft pick that hasn't given me any reason to hate them, at least yet. A lot of people would've been pissed if we did it.

[Fox007]

He does bring up a good point about drafting Stewart with our first, it's not like we traded back into the first round to get Stewart.....

We all KNEW we needed a Tackle, yet we did take a RB.....

[Delhommey]

So the fact that a QB was a bust doesn't matter because he might have been a success here.

I'm sorry, I only entertain this level of logic from attractive females who are willing to fellate me.

I'll leave you guys with your righteous anger.

[frash.exe]

So the fact that a QB was a bust doesn't matter because he might have been a success here.

I'm sorry, I only entertain this level of logic from attractive females who are willing to fellate me.

I'll leave you guys with your righteous anger.

So QB is the only position where there are no surefire guaranteed all-pro prospects. Every other position though has destined pro-bowlers you could see from the time you make the pick.

There is no position in the NFL that guarantees a sure pick, and there's always a bust chance. It's not exclusive to QB.

I'll give you some top ten Examples:

Cedric Benson RB

Troy Williamson WR

Mike Williams WR

Vernon Davis TE

Robert Gallery OT

Reggie Williams WR

Jonathan Sullivan DT

Charles Rogers WR

Mike Williams OT

Ryan Sims DT

Jamal Reynolds DE

David Terrell WR

Courtney Brown DE

Peter Warrick WR

I dunno, if it was up to me, WR looks like the pick to most likely avoid in the first round, let alone the top ten.

[chbright]

ug i would rather focus on 2nd round blunders more than qbs we could have had in the 1st; if we got some of those 2nd rounders to pan out (shelton), maybe then we are in a position to take the qb in the 1st. i am happy with the 1st round even without a qb being in there, its the 2nd round that has been our problem and bit us (same with qbs we have drafted later).

[Fox007]

So the fact that a QB was a bust doesn't matter because he might have been a success here.

I'm sorry, I only entertain this level of logic from attractive females who are willing to fellate me.

I'll leave you guys with your righteous anger.

So what level of logic do you use then?

From what I have gathered from you, all QB's drafted in the first round are busts, or you know exactly which ones won't be..................................

Must be nice to have that level of insight.

Sorry guys, there hasn't been a QB great enough for the all mighty Panthers to draft.

We must wait for this flawless perfection of a player to come before we would lower our noses down to do such a heinous thing as to draft him.

[Fox007]

ug i would rather focus on 2nd round blunders more than qbs we could have had in the 1st; if we got some of those 2nd rounders to pan out (shelton), maybe then we are in a position to take the qb in the 1st. i am happy with the 1st round even without a qb being in there, its the 2nd round that has been our problem and bit us (same with qbs we have drafted later).

It's not that we are saying to get a QB with our 1st rounder period, but an early pick, or any pick at all.

We drafted Weinke with a 4th......i mean really a 4th.........so it's not like that was a huge let-down.

You can get a QB in any round like any other player, but just like all the other positions, usually the best players will be higher round picks.

[mountainpantherfan]

I don't see the issue being that Fox and/or Hurney don't like drafting QB in the first round. What I see is a team that has been 100% committed to Jake Delhomme for 6 seasons now to the point that they refuse to look foward more than the Moore/Baz non-drafted free agents or the unsuccesful former starter like Carr/McCown.

The argument that the team doesn't like to draft QBs in the 1st because the spend the first year or more sitting on the bench while making a lot of money doesn't add up. They have done exactly this three times now over their tenure in Carolina with Davis in 05, Williams in 06 and Stewart in 08. If you go out of the 1st round they have also done the same to every player in the 2nd round except for Colbert in 04 but that was only due to injury.

There is no reason why they could not have at least taken at least one chance on a QB in the 2nd round. I don't think there has been a QB the team has passed up in the first round in the Fox/Hurney era that I would defientaly say the team should had drafted compared to who they ended up drafting. But there are some drafts like in 05 when they draft Davis that drafting Rodgers would not have been a mistake by any means.

[Delhommey]

When did anyone in this thread ever say they don't want a QB taken in the first?

The point is there hasn't really been an opportunity to draft a good QB. Fox and Hurney generally go wit BPA and they obviously haven't seen a QB in the first round that was.

History has proven their judgement to be correct.

But I guess they could improve by taking a QB in the first just for the hell of it even though it's quite clear we've gotten better players in the past doing otherwise.