Latest on the 2011 Lockout

[Squirrel]

i hope there is a lockout. that means panthers get 2 #1 overall picks.

or at least i hope. either way panthers suck and i won't miss them for a year

Dont count on that. Most likely they will draw numbers and do a serpitine draft.

[Liminy]

Sooo what are the chances for there being NFL next year...even half a season?

the same chances that someone on here legitimately knows the answer to said question.

[MadHatter]

ok i'll try again with different numbers lets say average ticket price, including box seats and club seats is 200 dollars.

10 home games

40 million dollars spent on executives and stadium employess(alot more reasonable than 100 million i included on my original estimate.)

and food merchandise is 50 million a year( reasonable if 50,000 people are buying 8 dollar beers and 6 dollar hotdogs every week)

ok, I'll try again

$200 tickets x 60,000 fans = 12,000,000 a game

$12 million x 10 home games = 120,000,000 a season (no playoffs)

$120,000,000 tickets + $50,000,000 food beer merchandice

= $170,000,000

$170,000,000 + $100,000,000 television exclusive rights revenue

$270,000,000 being brought in each season

- 109 million slary cap for players

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161 million dollars

- 40 million executive and stadium employee salary

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121 million dollar profit.

i tried again with more reasonable numbers and i still got way, way more than 30 million dollars profit. even after you account for taxes.

How in the hell do you use an avg ticket price of $200 each? Over half the stadium is at about $45.

[MadHatter]

Stop f**king saying this.

There is not a single player that makes more than an owner. That 59 percent is split between every active player and practice squared in the NFL. Meanwhile that remaining 41 is split between 31 guys who are already millionaires plus the governing council of the packers.

No that's like every single subway employee combines taking in sixty percent of net while the remaining 40 goes to shareholders.

And those 31 guys invested their money to have the franchises.....players are employees and nothing more.

[MadHatter]

i havent been to BOA stadium in a long time, but i dont see how aveage ticket price is 64 dollars...

last time i went to a home game was in 2000(before i moved to florida)

i used to pay 60+ dollars, even for nose bleeds. and then considering club level seats, and box seats which cost thousands of dollars each... average tickets prices have to be much more than 64 dollars.

Most expensive upper deck tix are $62 this season.

[blackcatgrowl]

ok i'll try again with different numbers lets say average ticket price, including box seats and club seats is 200 dollars.

10 home games

40 million dollars spent on executives and stadium employess(alot more reasonable than 100 million i included on my original estimate.)

and food merchandise is 50 million a year( reasonable if 50,000 people are buying 8 dollar beers and 6 dollar hotdogs every week)

ok, I'll try again

$200 tickets x 60,000 fans = 12,000,000 a game

$12 million x 10 home games = 120,000,000 a season (no playoffs)

$120,000,000 tickets + $50,000,000 food beer merchandice

= $170,000,000

$170,000,000 + $100,000,000 television exclusive rights revenue

$270,000,000 being brought in each season

- 109 million slary cap for players

---------------------------------

161 million dollars

- 40 million executive and stadium employee salary

-------------------------------------

121 million dollar profit.

i tried again with more reasonable numbers and i still got way, way more than 30 million dollars profit. even after you account for taxes.

Your Pro Football P&L statement fails quite a bit:

There is also...

Travel and lodging expenses for the team on away games - $##,###,###

Stadium Maintenance and upgrade budgeting (turf maintenance, stadium seating maintenance, lighting maintenance... probably one hell of an electric bill)- $##,###,###

Concession stand raw materials - $##,###,###

Team equipment and supplies (from shoes and jerseys, to pads and cleats, to flags, to team vehicles) - $##,###,###

Cheerleader salaries - $##,###,###

Local/State/Federal Taxes - $##,###,###

I'm sure there are a TON more line items that we're not thinking of. Running a team is not always for sure pure profit.

[SOJA]

Your Pro Football P&L statement fails quite a bit:

There is also...

Travel and lodging expenses for the team on away games - $##,###,###

Stadium Maintenance and upgrade budgeting (turf maintenance, stadium seating maintenance, lighting maintenance... probably one hell of an electric bill)- $##,###,###

Concession stand raw materials - $##,###,###

Team equipment and supplies (from shoes and jerseys, to pads and cleats, to flags, to team vehicles) - $##,###,###

Cheerleader salaries - $##,###,###

Local/State/Federal Taxes - $##,###,###

I'm sure there are a TON more line items that we're not thinking of. Running a team is not always for sure pure profit.

you forgot paying for a sober cab so dwayne jarrett doesn't have to drive drunk......oh wait

[CLTPanther]

Average ticket is/was $75 in Sept 2009 according to the article below. Not sure how much it went up this last year, maybe 3-5%.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/09/nfl-average-ticket-prices-rise-thank-the-dallas-cowboys/1

[MadHatter]

The owners claim they don't make $$.

You have an owner like JR who comes in and lets the fans pay for the stadium and refuses to open the books. And gets the benefit of massive TV deals. And is operating on a shoestring budget this year. And is leading the fight to take NFL away in 2011. And throws people out of games for cheering.

Why are we not booing his ass?

No private company will EVER open their books. If you expect them to, then you are completely dillusional.

The lack of business acumen on this board is astonishing.

[Squirrel]

ok, i give up. i have a hard time beleiving that average ticket prices are 64 dollars, but i havent been to BOA in a long time. (it was erricson last time i went)

i'll concede defeat that my math is wrong, but my point is that you dont have to be very imaginative to come up with some reasonable numbers and figure out that 30 million dollars in profits is an outright LIE.

Talking about the NFL in General not the Panthers. I would say the Panthers is aroun $50 which is in the medium.

[blackcatgrowl]

you forgot paying for a sober cab so dwayne jarrett doesn't have to drive drunk......oh wait

:smilielol5:

[Rhys]

Talking about the NFL in General not the Panthers. I would say the Panthers is aroun $50 which is in the medium.

I refuse to believe that.

I bought tickets to the Cincy game during the summer AS SOON as the tickets went on sale from the Panthers and paid $58 each for row 32 in a corner of the endzone.

There is absolutely no way the best upper deck seats were only a few dollars more. 50 yard line, row 1, upper deck does not cost $64. You're joking.

Plus, if I wanted to buy a PSL for an average ticket price of $50 in the upper deck nosebleed that cannot be $500 for the year? I may be wrong but you guys aren't accounting for how much more PSLs skew the average ticket price.

How many seats are in the upper deck?

How many seats are in the lower deck and club seats?

Almost every seat in the lower deck is hundredSSS of dollars, not to mention the club seats. I need to see some much clearer math if you want me to believe the average ticket price is only $50 f***ing dollars.

Also, would it be possible for the owners to release their books to a handful of people in the NFLPA if they're so adamant that they're not turning the kind of profit everyone thinks they are?

[Squirrel]

I own PSL in the Upper level between the 30 yard lines. Last I remember they are $65 or $67 a piece.

[Rhys]

I own PSL in the Upper level between the 30 yard lines. Last I remember they are $65 or $67 a piece.

Damn, I got royally screwed then.