Official Peppers bitch/whine thread. And TRADE IDEAS HERE!!!!

[top dawg]

This is short and to the point. I am sure the anti-Pep crowd will love it, but the pro-Pep crowd will hate it. Sounds like something that could have been posted in the Huddle.

[RazzleDazzle]

Breaking News.:party:

Well, maybe not... but how does that sound to you guys. We could trade Jake for a 3rd or 4th round pick and draft some help on the D-line and supplement in FA. So what do you guys think? Would Cassel be worth it? Is he gonna pull a Matt Shaub? Is he a punk just playing well on a good team in a good system? :ihih:

GOD DAMNIT, stop with the Matt Cassel stuff. Please, I am asking nicely. Matt Cassel will be a bust if any team trades for him.

[ChucktownK]

TEH Huddle hates TEH hypothetical!

[Mr. Scot]

Peyton Manning doesn't play the system. Manning IS the system.

(and honestly, that's about the only topic worth discussing in this thread)

[Jangler]

lol Im over it. How can somedody a month later still be bitching about Peppers? Get a Life!!!

[DWeezy]

I'm a little disappointed at the fan base who are throwing out the "FU"s at his wanting to leave. I'm also very disappointed that he's leaving. But lets understand something...he's not leaving for more money. He's already been offered that. He's leaving because he's not happy. I would say that would be the best and most appropriate reason for leaving.

To anyone who is divorced and throwing around "fu"...look yourself in the mirror. To anyone who is working for another employer, on their own accord, look yourself in the mirror. To anyone who has rellocated their family to a new home across town...look yourself in the mirror.

All of those decisions were due to being unhappy about something in your current situation. You made a decision to change that. I dont see anyone telling you to "f-off". He has handled this situation as well as anyone could hope for. He played out his contract. He deserves that respect. I wish him well. I only wish it were here.

I definitely won't throw out an FU towards the man, but quitting, or intentionally not giving your all, is shameful. Yes, I have moved from one job to another, but I gave my all in my old job, worked notices and have even provided a sounding board to my replacements on occasions. To not give 100% to Mr. Richardson, but yet take his millions and whine about how you aren't happy is inexcusable IMO. With respect, just showing up for work doesn't cut it in my book.

[X-Clown]

I see your point and as usual it's pretty good..and certainly I would agree that some of those guys wouldn't have the #s elsewhere that they have in Indy with Peyton....but Polian has also let those guys you mentioned go when they were almost run dry. Faulk, though he strong armed hsi way out of Indy and wasn't dumped was great in Indy and in St Lou. Stoke I think was more a case of $$ for the production because he was hurt a bunch. You could also argue that even the ok guys Brady had he got more out of than any other guys. IE Reche Caldwell was ???? in SD and serviceable in NE and then what after NE?

I'm not questioning whether Brady hasn't consistently elevated his guys and am not even trying to suggest that he wouldn't be good outside of it....I just can't see saying that both Cassel and Manning are system QBs. I'm not buying that Jim Sorgi could come in and lead the Colts offense the way that Cassel did with the Pats'. And that's saying something because Cassel hadn't even started in an offense since High School. I'm also not at all convinced that Cassel could have done anything with Eyes Wide Open Caldwell as his #1 while Brady was clearly able to. At the same time, it's clear that Brady was able to put more points on the board when they landed Randy Moss....and other than Wasteland...err Oakland (where the owner throws around more money to unnecessary sources than the federal government), Randy Moss has arguably made every other quarterback he played with look better than they ever did. While the other guys like Welker, Watson, Faulk, etc aren't "Pro Bowl" guys they certainly are the valuable role players that usually make up championship teams.

[PlayMoore!]

While the other guys like Welker, Watson, Faulk, etc aren't "Pro Bowl" guys they certainly are the valuable role players that usually make up championship teams.

Although I agree with everything you have said so far, I have to point out that Welker is in the pro bowl and well deserved. I love that guy lol. When they asked belichek why he wanted him so bad he said it was because they couldn't cover him every time they played miami. He said that they would double team him so the qb would look off of him but he said even then he was getting open. Then he says if we can't cover him, why not put him on our team so that we don't have to.

[Skew]

This thread is still going?

[Fireball77]

I'm not questioning whether Brady hasn't consistently elevated his guys and am not even trying to suggest that he wouldn't be good outside of it....I just can't see saying that both Cassel and Manning are system QBs. I'm not buying that Jim Sorgi could come in and lead the Colts offense the way that Cassel did with the Pats'. And that's saying something because Cassel hadn't even started in an offense since High School. I'm also not at all convinced that Cassel could have done anything with Eyes Wide Open Caldwell as his #1 while Brady was clearly able to. At the same time, it's clear that Brady was able to put more points on the board when they landed Randy Moss....and other than Wasteland...err Oakland (where the owner throws around more money to unnecessary sources than the federal government), Randy Moss has arguably made every other quarterback he played with look better than they ever did. While the other guys like Welker, Watson, Faulk, etc aren't "Pro Bowl" guys they certainly are the valuable role players that usually make up championship teams.

Man, I really messed up with what I was trying to say...I wasn't trying to say that Manning was a system QB. For example, it is pretty obvious that thought the Colts OL is very good, part of why they are is Manning can get the ball out of there fast. The only point I was trying (and failing) to make is that we have seen neither he nor Cassel without a good to great group of skill players around them not that they are the same type of player or skill level.

You won't get any argument from me that Moss was absolutely crucial to that record breaking offense. Faulk has developed into an amazing contributor over the past years and Welker is a little dynamo. The Pats also were a pretty darn good running team this past year. Brady is the same Brady he has been since 2003, IMO, those guys just are so much better skill wise than what he had for several seasons that the #s went up. His #s in 2005 with basically Deion Branch the #2 WR as a #1, a nice clutch WR in Brown and nothing else much WR wise, a terrible running game, an OL that got him hit constantly such that he played the last half that season with the same injury that KOd McNabb one year (sports hernia)and a defense that was just about nonexistent for about 10 games in the middle of that year told me a lot more about him as a QB than 2007 did. And if Cassel can go somewhere like KC and have a nice season, the same will go for him vis a vis 2008.

[frash.exe]

some people act like cassel would forget how to pass on a different team.

The point is it's not just the players around him. It's not like the line can hold off a blitz for 20 seconds so he can sit back there and pick a route. It's not like he can't audible or call a play at the line because he can't read a defense and the only reason he was able to throw for 3,600 yards was because Randy Moss and Welker were getting wide open every time.

Had Cassel been drafted by another team, he probably would've done nothing in the league. He never started a game in even college. But is that saying the coaches in southern cal never worked with him? That had Carson Palmer or Leinart gone down that he would've failed miserably? No, I'm just saying the NE coaches slowly brought him up to speed at the pro level while he was on the bench. He knows how to play QB.

He's not going to end up here. But he will end up somewhere and he probably won't turn them into a success overnight but he's not going to be f*cking David Carr back there.

Some of you people are just trying to find half-assed reasons he might suck just to try to convince yourselves we don't need any QB help. (which, whether they recognize it or not, is a need)

[doubletrouble3428]

some people act like cassel would forget how to pass on a different team.

The point is it's not just the players around him. It's not like the line can hold off a blitz for 20 seconds so he can sit back there and pick a route. It's not like he can't audible or call a play at the line because he can't read a defense and the only reason he was able to throw for 3,600 yards was because Randy Moss and Welker were getting wide open every time.

Had Cassel been drafted by another team, he probably would've done nothing in the league. He never started a game in even college. But is that saying the coaches in southern cal never worked with him? That had Carson Palmer or Leinart gone down that he would've failed miserably? No, I'm just saying the NE coaches slowly brought him up to speed at the pro level while he was on the bench. He knows how to play QB.

He's not going to end up here. But he will end up somewhere and he probably won't turn them into a success overnight but he's not going to be f*cking David Carr back there.

Some of you people are just trying to find half-assed reasons he might suck just to try to convince yourselves we don't need any QB help. (which, whether they recognize it or not, is a need)

thank you...he's not garbage and hes still a young qb thats learning...im not sayin he will be an AllPro Qb but yall r makin him out to be worse than he is

[X-Clown]

Some of you people are just trying to find half-assed reasons he might suck just to try to convince yourselves we don't need any QB help. (which, whether they recognize it or not, is a need)

Yeah, things like logic and the knowledge that a system might make a player better than he appears are "half-assed" reasons. Forgive me if I think we can spend our money more wisely and not mortgage our team's future for a quarterback who may or may not be the result of a championship winning system. But I'm sure you would NOT be one of the ones complaining that it didn't work out if we made another franchise crippling move, right??

[frash.exe]

Yeah, things like logic and the knowledge that a system might make a player better than he appears are "half-assed" reasons. Forgive me if I think we can spend our money more wisely and not mortgage our team's future for a quarterback who may or may not be the result of a championship winning system. But I'm sure you would NOT be one of the ones complaining that it didn't work out if we made another franchise crippling move, right??

Wow you did not pay attention at what I said at all. Didn't I just elaborate that we wouldn't be interested in him? The point is, I'm not sure he would be successful like you guys are DEAD sure he's absolutely going to fail.

Oh yeah I didn't realize trying to get a QB would be a "franchise crippling move". Yea, the Giants, Steelers, Colts, Redskins, Eagles, etc, yea they all made franchise crippling moves with those high-salary QBs didn't they? All those teams end up on the bottom of the league don't they?

"spending money more wisely"? what a crock. Yea, lets throw more money at a defense whose scheme fails no matter how much talent you can have, because we already have more talent than the average defense, we just need more because they finish in the bottom half every year.