Quarterback inconsistency has been the problem

[panthers55]

Whether it is due to inconsistent play, injury, or trying to get a look at a new acquisition, we have not had a quarterback play every game of a season since 2017 with Cam Newton. it is also the last time we made the playoffs. Bridgewater played 15 games in 2020 but otherwise it has been very disjointed and inconsistent. When was the last time we had the same starting QB going into a third season? Again Cam Newton in 2017.  Does that mean Bryce will be successful or we we will go to the playoffs this season? We hope so, but as we look at the reasons we have struggled under Tepper, I think poor coaching and inconsistent qb play are the biggest. With Canales finishing strong and Bryce coming on, it feels like we have a chance for consistency and more success this season at least on the offensive side. Obviously injuries play a huge role in determining ultimate success but I am optimistic that we can have a very stable and productive offense.

BTW, when was the last time we had the same offensive coordinator for 3 seasons? Mike Shula in 2017. Since then no one has made it more than their second season. 

Edited Friday at 03:20 PM by panthers55

[Khyber53]

You've hit the nail on the head with this. I always thought Teddy got a raw deal and should have been around for a second season here at the very least. If you keep playing musical chairs when you ought to be playing football, then you're going to lose more and more games as the team goes from being frayed around the edges to just a pile of useless strings. 

Let's hope we can hold this together for a bit longer and let things gel a bit more. Give Canales a chance to actually create a culture and renew our identity.

Edit to add: And if anything was learned from last year it's that good young QBs sometimes take some time to grow into their roles. And maybe some adversity is good for them. Let's keep Bryce upright and on the field.

Edited Friday at 05:33 PM by Khyber53

[Davidson Deac II]

I disagree.

Our qb play has been very consistent.  Consistently bad.  

[PNW_PantherMan]

Rhule was a bad hire, but honestly Reich was even worse.  The Rhule hire was either going to be boom or bust.  Most likely bust, and it did.

The Reich hire was virtually guaranteed to fail.  We hired some old burned out dude that was just canned for sucking.

[Khaki Lackey]

8 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Rhule was a bad hire, but honestly Reich was even worse.  The Rhule hire was either going to be boom or bust.  Most likely bust, and it did.

The Reich hire was virtually guaranteed to fail.  We hired some old burned out dude that was just canned for sucking.

That’s revisionist history. Reich was pretty well respected in the league and had the same win% in Indy as Rivera did here despite crappy QB play, and a bad owner/GM situation.

I’m not saying he was a good hire. Not by a long shot, but he was considered a safe hire at the time. Yeah, I think he realized that Tepper was just as bad, if not worse than Isray and he seemed to completely check out, but “guaranteed to fail” he was not.

[LinvilleGorge]

23 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Rhule was a bad hire, but honestly Reich was even worse.  The Rhule hire was either going to be boom or bust.  Most likely bust, and it did.

The Reich hire was virtually guaranteed to fail.  We hired some old burned out dude that was just canned for sucking.

It always seemed to me that he basically checked out when we drafted Bryce. I don't know if he was told or led to believe he'd have more influence on the QB position or if he just thought that he'd get in there and wow them with his football knowledge and end up getting his way but once it became clear that it was gonna be Bryce it just seemed like the air went out of his sails. And it makes sense. Everyone who knew about his history with the QB position had been saying that he was all about prototypical stature and arm strength. Nothing about Bryce fit his QB M.O. I just don't know whose fault the whole situation was. Was it the Panthers for misleading Reich or Reich expecting to coerce more influence? Because you can't convince me that the topic didn't come up through the interview process.

As soon as Bryce was the guy it always felt destined to be square peg/round hole.

[WhoKnows]

4 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

That’s revisionist history. Reich was pretty well respected in the league and had the same win% in Indy as Rivera did here despite crappy QB play, and a bad owner/GM situation.

I’m not saying he was a good hire. Not by a long shot, but he was considered a safe hire at the time. Yeah, I think he realized that Tepper was just as bad, if not worse than Isray and he seemed to completely check out, but “guaranteed to fail” he was not.

Crappy QB play? Here’s Reich’s 4 QBs:

2018 10-6 Luck 4600 yards 39 TDs

2019 7-9 Brissett 2900 and 19 TDs but also had 2130 rushing yards and 17 rushing TDs due to a standout OL

2020 11-5 Rivera 4200 yards and 24 TDs and once again a solid OL and running game with 2000 yards and 20 rushing TDs

2021 9-8 Wentz 3600 yards and 27 TDs (only 7 INTs) and a ridiculous running game with Taylor of over 2500 yards and 22 TDs

Outside of Cam’s MVP year, Reich had better passing offenses overall with solid vet QB play. Saying Reich overcame crappy QB play is completely false, especially when you look at how good their OL/running game was outside of Luck’s 39 TD season.

 

 

 

 

[WhoKnows]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It always seemed to me that he basically checked out when we drafted Bryce. I don't know if he was told or led to believe he'd have more influence on the QB position or if he just thought that he'd get in there and wow them with his football knowledge and end up getting his way but once it became clear that it was gonna be Bryce it just seemed like the air went out of his sails. And it makes sense. Everyone who knew about his history with the QB position had been saying that he was all about prototypical stature and arm strength. Nothing about Bryce fit his QB M.O. I just don't know whose fault the whole situation was. Was it the Panthers for misleading Reich or Reich expecting to coerce more influence? Because you can't convince me that the topic didn't come up through the interview process.

As soon as Bryce was the guy it always felt destined to be square peg/round hole.

I think a big assumption was that Reich was a QB coaching guru. Rivers and Manning were already in their 30s when Reich worked with them. Luck was at the end of his career. Wentz was the only young/rookie QB he worked with and his familiarity with him is why he brought him in at Indy. Wentz was also a 24 year old rookie.

I don’t know if Reich would have been successful with Stroud who was a 22 year old rookie and Canales was clearly better with Young.

Edited Friday at 06:48 PM by WhoKnows

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

I think a big assumption was that Reich was a QB coaching guru. Rivers and Manning were already in their 30s when Reich worked with them. Luck was at the end of his career. Wentz was the only young/rookie QB he worked with and his familiarity with him is why he brought him in at Indy. Wentz was also a 24 year old rookie.

I don’t know if Reich would have been successful with Stroud who was a 22 year old rookie and Canales was clearly better with Young.

It just seemed very kneejerk. We went with a guy with no NFL experience and that flopped so we went with a guy with tons of NFL experience next. We went with a guy with all the physical tools in Darnold before and that flopped so they go with the football savant Bryce next. 

[Gapanthersfan]

Last season was my lowest point. Burn it down, sell the franchise type low. To go from the doldrums of despair last season to hanging a 40 burger on the birds in the forbidden temple, matching the 2nd most points they’ve ever scored on those clowns… it felt good. Something that could be built upon. 

It was finding a viable franchise QB, but it equally important locking up a good and young offensive line that gives him a chance. 

[Gapanthersfan]

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It always seemed to me that he basically checked out when we drafted Bryce. I don't know if he was told or led to believe he'd have more influence on the QB position or if he just thought that he'd get in there and wow them with his football knowledge and end up getting his way but once it became clear that it was gonna be Bryce it just seemed like the air went out of his sails. And it makes sense. Everyone who knew about his history with the QB position had been saying that he was all about prototypical stature and arm strength. Nothing about Bryce fit his QB M.O. I just don't know whose fault the whole situation was. Was it the Panthers for misleading Reich or Reich expecting to coerce more influence? Because you can't convince me that the topic didn't come up through the interview process.

As soon as Bryce was the guy it always felt destined to be square peg/round hole.

I’ve long held this belief and said it from the beginning. It was plainly obvious. Why would he take the job, assemble an entire coaching staff and then check out on day 1 of TC? 

[pantherclaw]

This is why changing HC every year or so is truly disastrous to a team.  As Panther fans,  we've never experienced with our team until Tepper.  Not saying it's his fault, although many will.  This is evidence that definitely supports the reasoning for having patience when a new regime gets placed in. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

14 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

This is why changing HC every year or so is truly disastrous to a team.  As Panther fans,  we've never experienced with our team until Tepper.  Not saying it's his fault, although many will.  This is evidence that definitely supports the reasoning for having patience when a new regime gets placed in. 

Yea I hope this crew gets year 3 even if this next year is disappointing.

[CanadianCat]

I agree changing QB's and coaches every year will never result in success. 

That said.. Teddy was named "Teddy check down" for a reason.. Could we given him a better chance? Yes, but I dont think it was a bad decision to move on. 

Darnold: I supported trading what we did for a potential Franchise QB. The team failed him. The right coach in place and we would be miles a head of where we are today. 

Baker: I supported (and always will) taking a shot at a QB. The team failed him.

We had 2 maybe 3 potential Franchise QB's on the roster but we didnt have a good team around them or a plan. Both have gone on to become a Franchise QB for other teams while we continued to rebuild. 

That said Young came into his own this last year. I anticipate a big step this year.