Trading Williams a good thing?

[SorthNarolina]

with the way the o-line is playing we need williams more than ever. Williams can move laterally well enough to make something out of nothing. Stewart needs a hole to build up some momentum and we aren't giving that to him. It's becoming painfully obvious.

The differences between Stewart/Williams are small but when the o-line plays like doo doo they become massive.

[Humble Pie]

I would support a three way trade with say the Packers and Chargers.

We give Dwill to the packers, the packers give the required pics to the chargers, and we get Jackson.

I love Dwill but we do have 3 very good backs behind him. We need the receiver more going forward.

[Panths]

I would be really worried at this point in time if we traded Williams seeing as how Stewart forgot how to play

[panthers34]

you tarde him beacause stewart is also one of the best in the league and he hardly gets to show it this year...goodson a solid back up and so is sutten and if we dont trade deangelo he will walk away at the end of the season and we wont get anything for him... are team is playing bad and its time we make achange and add a good reciever or an awsome tightend

[CRA]

There seems to be this terrible myth going around about how the Panthers have changed their philosophy towards offense and that we aren't running the ball anymore which seems to based solely on rushing attempts.

So let me break it down for you, although there has been a little bit of a drop it's not dramatic and the fact is most of it can be attributed to having to have played from behind for the majority of the season.

So here it is, total plays vs running plays and the running play percentage for the past two years and the SMALL SAMPLE SIZE of this year.

2008

Total Plays, Running Plays, Running %

938 504 53.7

2009

1023 525 51.3

2010

234 104 44

Yesterdays game we ran 23 of our 47 plays on the day for an average of right at 49% which is on par for the course and it was our closest game yet which allowed us to stay in our game plan.

The fact of the matter is that we have been forced out of our game plan by having been dominated on the time of possession. There is no change of philosophy and the people who seem to think so are just to lazy to look up the facts.

When we become successful at our gameplan we will have more total plays which will in turn boost the numbers of carries. That hasn't happened yet.

No reason we shouldn't be running 55 to 60% of the time. Should have ran more at NY and should have ran more early at NO.

perfect example was the possesion after we scored our TD. Williams had a 9 yard run, then an 8 yard run. We then attempted 3 straight passes which forced us to punt. Running teams run the ball more than they pass.

just imagine the NY game if we had ran more. Fox has running team that doesn't rely on the run. We saw that often last season during Jake's implosion.

[Floppin]

No reason we shouldn't be running 55 to 60% of the time. Should have ran more at NY and should have ran more early at NO.

perfect example was the possesion after we scored our TD. Williams had a 9 yard run, then an 8 yard run. We then attempted 3 straight passes which forced us to punt. Running teams run the ball more than they pass.

just imagine the NY game if we had ran more. Fox has running team that doesn't rely on the run. We saw that often last season during Jake's implosion.

Obviously you just ignored the stats I put up. We have never historically run the ball 60% of the time on average.

[panthers34]

Obviously you just ignored the stats I put up. We have never historically run the ball 60% of the time on average.

yeah but hes saying we should run 60% we have a rookie qb with 2 rookie wrs who play a lot

[CRA]

Obviously you just ignored the stats I put up. We have never historically run the ball 60% of the time on average.

I didn't ignore your stats. Never in our history has our backfield been as good as it is now. Fox has always runs the ball. You run the ball differently when your backfield is primarly DeShaun Foster.......and when your backfield is Double Trouble with an iffy passing game. Fox should have ran the ball even more in 09 when he pointlessly would put the game on a broken Delhomme......and he should run more in 2010 (see NY as the ideal example).

better decisions by Fox in 09 would have put us in the playoffs in regards to running more. We wouldn't be 0-4 imo with better decisions by Fox. He passes when we should run and runs when we should pass at too high of a consistancy.

[Floppin]

We wouldn't be 0-4 imo with better decisions by Fox. He passes when we should run and runs when we should pass at too high of a consistancy.

This I can agree with.

None of the seasons I posted had anything to do with Foster, he wasn't here for any of them so I don't know why you brought him up.

The fact is, you have to have a balanced offense. Just because you have an awesome run game doesn't mean you can just run the ball all the time. It's the same reason we can't just throw to Smith every pass. It just doesn't work.

It's like a boxer trying to go into an MMA match with absolutely no ground training. As long as they are standing he'll hold his own but eventually the other guy is gonna take him to the ground and beat the every living poo out of him. Same thing here. We can't just run run run run it won't work. We have to keep the defense honest or we won't run anywhere except backwards no matter who we hand the ball off to.

Our play calling is bad, but it has nothing to do with the percentage of run plays. The distribution numbers wise is on point, it's just the implementation of it thats off.

[Floppin]

Just as an example, the 1985 Bears with Walter Peyton only ran the ball 56% of the time.

[DaCityKats]

which proves what i was saying why would you trade one of your best players especially when he fits what you do or try to do(scheme wise).dwill should get more touches, on top of play calling is beyond poo.

[magnus]

people want us to not be easy to read but suggest we should do more obvious things.

People want us not to be conservative and get a starting back 20 carries, a backup over ten, five to the 3rd back, 5 to the FB, ten balls to Smith, five to their favorite TE, five to their favorite WR, and spread the ball around. In exactly that amount, week after week. Without being easy to read in those 45 carries, of course. There must be ten screens, ten slants, each run has to be some different type of run, and it all must work well. The plays must be run both at and away from their best player at the same time on the same play. Draw plays are only good when they work. Don't run at the goal line? What's wrong with you. Run at the goal line? What's wrong with you!

That's the magical thing about this time of year in a losing season, everything sticks to the wall when nothing works on the field. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to be said.

as for the run percentage, we've had a lead for something like 15 minutes of four games.

[Kevin Greene]

If one of our running backs must be traded, I'd rather see Stewart go. DWill is only 27, and due to Fox being too ignorant to play him much his first two years he is relativley "low mileage". Sign DWill long term, he's worth it.

Problem is, what would Stewart bring? Always having negging injuries which prevent him from practicing weekly or even participating in traing camps. He's shown stretches of fine play but would a GM step up and send a high pick for him?

[Panths]

Problem is, what would Stewart bring? Always having negging injuries which prevent him from practicing weekly or even participating in traing camps. He's shown stretches of fine play but would a GM step up and send a high pick for him?

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He played better when he practiced less