Its obvious to anyone with a clue, the Panthers draft with their first pick...

[kdrh5]

I think its pretty evident free agency and philisophy of the new head coach will dictate what the team selects in the first round. And I actually pretty much hope like hell they trade down and gather more picks since second and third rounders pretty much always turn out to be just as good as first rounders anyway--they're also cheaper.

I understand why everyone salivates over AJ Green fully, but I also remember Michael Crabtree was widely considered a game-changer in the Randy Moss mold and was the consensus no. 1 reciever in the draft that year (except on Al Davis' board of course), but Id argue that Hakeem Nicks, who was selected in the twenties, is a better player overall and who'd be the best fit here between the two. Id rather have multiple first day picks in the first two rounds than a top ten guy. With multiple picks this team could improve both the offensive and defensive line, or take the best WR available, who might just turn out to be just as good as AJ Green.

[pantherj]

I think its funny that you say Gettis doesnt have the speed, when in reality, hes one of our fastest players...

Anyways, there is more than just pure speed to create seperation, alot of it comes down to route running ability, which he is still learning at.

Sure he has great track speed because he has a long stride. His speed shows up in long routes, where his long stride can give him an edge over the DB. However he doesn't have the burst of speed needed to get good seperation on shorter and medium routes. This is probably part of the reason Davidson is calling pass plays that require a lot of time to develope. When a WR with Gettis lighter build doesn't have seperation, and has to fight for the ball, the advantage usually goes to the DB, as they usually have a stronger build. That is reality.

[PantherFan52]

Sure he has great track speed because he has a long stride. His speed shows up in long routes, where his long stride can give him an edge over the DB. However he doesn't have the burst of speed needed to get good seperation on shorter and medium routes. This is probably part of the reason Davidson is calling pass plays that require a lot of time to develope. When a WR with Gettis lighter build doesn't have seperation, and has to fight for the ball, the advantage usually goes to the DB, as they usually have a stronger build. That is reality.

I'm not sure if it's his burst of speed or lack thereof. It's mainly route running. Reggie Wayne is someone that comes to mind that doesn't have the speed but no one, I mean no one in the league runs a more crisp route that him.

[pantherj]

I'm not sure if it's his burst of speed or lack thereof. It's mainly route running. Reggie Wayne is someone that comes to mind that doesn't have the speed but no one, I mean no one in the league runs a more crisp route that him.

When you have a HOF QB, you don't need as much seperation from the WRs. The QB will put the ball where only the WR can get it. The play action pass QBs we have require WRs who can either use their body to shield the DB from the pass (Moose), or get seperation quicky with burst speed (Smith). When you have a WR like Gettis in our system, it puts a burden on the QB. Manning could hit Gettis all day long, but a play action pass QB needs more help.

Gettis is going to be most effective on deep routes, but what you can do is have Clausen or Moore throw him the ball short and let him break out of his route and come back for it while the DB is trying to follow him deep. I think we've done that, but we need to do it more.

I fully realize that a great route running WR can make a difference in our system. One only needs to think back to the crafty vet Rick Proehl, but he wasn't our #2 for a good reason.

A.J Green (burst speed, catlike reflexes, velcro hands) may be our #2 WR of the future, with Gettis becoming a valuable #3.

[mj4life]

I think its pretty evident free agency and philisophy of the new head coach will dictate what the team selects in the first round. And I actually pretty much hope like hell they trade down and gather more picks since second and third rounders pretty much always turn out to be just as good as first rounders anyway--they're also cheaper.

I understand why everyone salivates over AJ Green fully, but I also remember Michael Crabtree was widely considered a game-changer in the Randy Moss mold and was the consensus no. 1 reciever in the draft that year (except on Al Davis' board of course), but Id argue that Hakeem Nicks, who was selected in the twenties, is a better player overall and who'd be the best fit here between the two. Id rather have multiple first day picks in the first two rounds than a top ten guy. With multiple picks this team could improve both the offensive and defensive line, or take the best WR available, who might just turn out to be just as good as AJ Green.

agree, while most people are sold on guys like green & dareus, i think trading down and getting more picks is a better option to improve the team the quickest.

[PantherBrew]

hahahahahha, the tags are ridiculous.

[theyhateme45]

agree, while most people are sold on guys like green & dareus, i think trading down and getting more picks is a better option to improve the team the quickest.

I'll disagree... First I believe there is a difference between The top 8 in the NFL draft and the rest of the first round. It's not guaranteed but with a top 8 pick (Which it's looking like we're sure to have) You have a higher probability of drafting a franchise player... and at the least the underachieve and turn into a role player... then there are a few that turns out to be complete bust being drafted that high. Point is we need franchise player and you have a higher probability of drafting that kind of player and someone who will contribute to the franchise long term in that position.

Now when you trade down to the late first round, second, and third round the chances of drafting a franchise player is greatly reduced, and the chances that player turns out to be a bust is greatly increased.

When you have the rare chance to draft at the top of the draft and take a low risk player you do it.... That would be like us not taking Peppers back when we did and just trade down for more picks since we needed a lot more players to make the team better.

I don't understand why a good amount of people here want to shy away from drafting proven talent or trade proven talent away for another shot at the 3rd/4th round draft crap shoot?

[mj4life]

I'll disagree... First I believe there is a difference between The top 8 in the NFL draft and the rest of the first round. It's not guaranteed but with a top 8 pick (Which it's looking like we're sure to have) You have a higher probability of drafting a franchise player... and at the least the underachieve and turn into a role player... then there are a few that turns out to be complete bust being drafted that high. Point is we need franchise player and you have a higher probability of drafting that kind of player and someone who will contribute to the franchise long term in that position.

Now when you trade down to the late first round, second, and third round the chances of drafting a franchise player is greatly reduced, and the chances that player turns out to be a bust is greatly increased.

When you have the rare chance to draft at the top of the draft and take a low risk player you do it.... That would be like us not taking Peppers back when we did and just trade down for more picks since we needed a lot more players to make the team better.

I don't understand why a good amount of people here want to shy away from drafting proven talent or trade proven talent away for another shot at the 3rd/4th round draft crap shoot?

wouldn't trade down to far, maybe trade from top 3 to somewhere in the top 10 if we can add draft picks and still get a impact player

[Future of the Funchise]

So you're saying we're not getting that A.C. Green guy from Georgia I've heard so much about?

They say he's supposed to be amazing.

[Ruff]

Sure he has great track speed because he has a long stride. His speed shows up in long routes, where his long stride can give him an edge over the DB. However he doesn't have the burst of speed needed to get good seperation on shorter and medium routes. This is probably part of the reason Davidson is calling pass plays that require a lot of time to develope. When a WR with Gettis lighter build doesn't have seperation, and has to fight for the ball, the advantage usually goes to the DB, as they usually have a stronger build. That is reality.

You are aware that he ran 4x100s and 4x400s, right? He's a sprint runner, not a marathon track runner. All of his speed comes from one huge burst, just like all other short distance runners.

[Lout]

If we have the #1 overall pick, we won't be able to trade out of it more than likely. No one wants to pay that kind of money.. unless they have the 'fixed' money for draft positions now.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

If we have the #1 overall pick, we won't be able to trade out of it more than likely. No one wants to pay that kind of money.. unless they have the 'fixed' money for draft positions now.

Just trade down a few spots. The #1 spot and #3-4 spot aren't that much different moneywise.

[pantherj]

You are aware that he ran 4x100s and 4x400s, right? He's a sprint runner, not a marathon track runner. All of his speed comes from one huge burst, just like all other short distance runners.

Here now is a direct quote from David Gettis himself:

What are your favorite routes to run?

"Well my favorite routes to run... probably anything verticle routes, anything over 15 yards, where I can build up my speed, you know, I have long strides..."

The guy is 6'4", and I'm not seeing this huge initial burst on the field. Doesn't look like opposing defenses are seeing it either given they are selling out to stop the run.

[pantherj]

You are aware that he ran 4x100s and 4x400s, right? He's a sprint runner, not a marathon track runner. All of his speed comes from one huge burst, just like all other short distance runners.

Here now is a direct quote from David Gettis himself:

What are your favorite routes to run?

"Well my favorite routes to run... probably anything verticle routes, anything over 15 yards, where I can build up my speed, you know, I have long strides..."

The guy is 6'4", and I'm not seeing this huge initial burst on the field. Doesn't look like opposing defenses are seeing it either, given the defensive formations they're using.