Hypothetically speaking: If we had the tools on offense

[Jrock3016]

I have watched all the games and I have read pretty much everything ever written about this team, and I have yet to see any evidence that John Fox is designing offensive schemes or calling offensive plays.

You watch him when the offense is on the field. If he's calling plays, then he's doing one hell of a job of hiding it, and a hell of a job memorizing the plays without the aid of a play sheet.

I thought all he have to do is say yes or no

[carolinarolls]

Your making excuses...now explain Houston and Matt Schaub

You're not looking at the facts.

Matt Schaubb came in to a bad situation with a young/weak defense, one dynamic receiver and one TE. He was/is a great QB. Many tools have been added to that team over the years chiefly the additions of Foster and Slaton. He showed his skill and as a result his team has gotten better OVER THE YEARS.

Not sure what you wanted here but the Schaub and Brees comparison are not really that close.

[panthers55]

well Brees was a huge gamble at the time considering his size, having never really won, and his reported career-ending injury.

Plus Colston was a pot of gold nobody saw coming and who were the stellar receivers, running backs, and offensive linemen when he got there?

He was placed in a position where he needed to prove things to himself and the world and he willed himself to greatness. When the ownership who was planning to leave the city at one point saw what they had, they built a team around him.

IMO we just need a QB to show our ownership what he can do and the money will be spent. Until then it really looks like a bad investment.

How about we actually bring in a good offensive mind who can get the most out of what we have. Systems like New England which Davidson supposedly knows were able to take an unknown like Cassel and make him look like Tom Brady. If they can do it , so can we.

[panthers55]

I have watched all the games and I have read pretty much everything ever written about this team, and I have yet to see any evidence that John Fox is designing offensive schemes or calling offensive plays.

You watch him when the offense is on the field. If he's calling plays, then he's doing one hell of a job of hiding it, and a hell of a job memorizing the plays without the aid of a play sheet.

I already explained my understanding. Davidson calls the plays which Fox listens in on, he either lets it go or overrules it and suggests something else. So he is not calling the plays he is having input. It won't be every play or even every series but you can be sure he is having a say on a third down play where they call timeout or in the initial gameplanning where they script out the first 15 or 20 plays or halftime adjustments. Fox can't be involved on everything but to say he has no input or doesn't influence the plays is not what I heard albeit through second or third hand sources.

[Davidson Deac II]

I have watched all the games and I have read pretty much everything ever written about this team, and I have yet to see any evidence that John Fox is designing offensive schemes or calling offensive plays.

You watch him when the offense is on the field. If he's calling plays, then he's doing one hell of a job of hiding it, and a hell of a job memorizing the plays without the aid of a play sheet.

I am sure Davidson calls the specific plays, but he probably does this with the approval of Fox. And I am sure Fox gives specific orders during the game.

But play calling is the usually the scapegoat for the fans of the losing team. More often than not, its execution that determines success, not play calling. Many styles of offense can win the Superbowl. Just look at the Steelers who play a similar style of offense to us, and they manage to win year in and year out with it.

The difference between us and them is execution. In most cases, it doesn't matter if a team is a passing team, or a running team, or a combination of the two, as long as they execute the plays that are called. If you look at our team over the last three games, there are so many small mistakes. Missing a blocking assignment at a key point, or a key penalty, or throwing into coverage, or a running back fumbling at a key point in the game. Thats the difference between winning and losing.

[2jakefansinva]

Henning had a feed the stud mentality but didn't always run the ball unless he had the personnel to do it. His offenses were pretty balanced. In fact in 3 of his five years here he passed more than he ran.

Davidson may have gotten his training in the system from Weiss but his current offense is a far cry from a Weiss system and what he said he was going to run when he was hired. He said he would be balanced and would adapt the system to the players that he had. He said he would extend the field, use base looks but throw and run out of the same formations to avoid being too predictable and would exploit teams by exploiting mismatches.

Seems that this offense is almost the exact opposite of what he said he was going to do. I wonder who influenced him to change it???

man.............I wish that OC was on the job today.

[Catdaddy]

Thats the problem! All we have on offense is a bunch of tools!

[Snake]

I am sure Davidson calls the specific plays, but he probably does this with the approval of Fox. And I am sure Fox gives specific orders during the game.

But play calling is the usually the scapegoat for the fans of the losing team. More often than not, its execution that determines success, not play calling. Many styles of offense can win the Superbowl. Just look at the Steelers who play a similar style of offense to us, and they manage to win year in and year out with it.

The difference between us and them is execution. In most cases, it doesn't matter if a team is a passing team, or a running team, or a combination of the two, as long as they execute the plays that are called. If you look at our team over the last three games, there are so many small mistakes. Missing a blocking assignment at a key point, or a key penalty, or throwing into coverage, or a running back fumbling at a key point in the game. Thats the difference between winning and losing.

Execution is a big part of it but Playcalling can win or lose you the game also. I think we have a big ball of both on this team. Bad playcalling mixed with poor execution that results in 7 points a game.

Now prob a lot of people would disagree with me but I use to love to watch how Henning would pick on a weakness in the other them. Yes it would be boring cause you would see the same play over and over again but it worked. It forced the defense to adjust and when they did he would find another weakness. All what he did required execution but it also required a keen knowledge of what the other guy was doing and adjusting to that. Something I think Davidson has no clue how to do.