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3 years ago yesterday...

Samuel L. Jackson

By Samuel L. Jackson,
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Dpantherman Newbie

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Um, fact is he was, and still is right. If you take Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, & Steve Smith off this team, can you name 1 player here you'd consider to have their intensity & competitive fire? MAYBE DeAngelo. Nobody else, IMO, & most of them aren't even close. It's a damn shame.

but they are still on the team...

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In 2007, we started by mopping up the Rams on the road, and it looked like we were set for another playoff run.

The home opener was against Houston. I went to that game with my brother. We watched in dismay, as our corners kept getting beat, and our D-line kept crumbling against an aged RB, and our offense looked flat. The final score was HOU 34/CAR 21. A 13-point spread. Sound familiar?

On the way home from the stadium after the loss, me and my brother kept trying to get our head around what happened in that game. Houston was not a good team that year (8-8 that year I think)... how could we lose to scrubs with all our weapons in place?

We turned on 610AM. They were taking calls from listeners. One dude called in and said almost exactly what Jenkins said above, weeks before Jenkins said it. He said something like, "This team has no discipline, no heart. You can see it in the way they line up. You can see it on the sidelines, and you can see it in the score. And it all comes from the coaches. They treat these athletes like they are on a vacation at Club Med. "Club Fox" is going to continue to have problems."

When this guy said this, me and my brother busted out laughing... but then we agreed... what he said was true! There was a noticeable lack of discipline and desire on this team. There was something wrong with how things ran in that locker room, and it showed. In fact, we began thinking that there was something wrong in the Front Office too.

We went 7-9 that season. Jake Delhomme's ligament problem surfaced and he had Tommy John Surgery, and many people blamed our 7-9 on this. But in truth, the issue was deeper than that, and has continued to be deeper than that. But John Fox always looked like he was a decent coach, because he had a bunch of talent to fall back on, and we'd always barely miss the playoffs or barely have a losing schedule.

Well, this year, the talent on this team is thin by force of what could be unneeded preparations for a CBA lockout. And the lack of discipline at Club Fox is showing it's full ugliness.

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prowler2k8 Newbie

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I didn't have a problem with it when he said it the first time, and I don't have a problem with it now.

If this is the kind of thing that gets you kicked out, well..

That's the thing, should it have gotten him 'kicked out'? Apparently there was alot of truth to what he said if the organization's response to his message was to trade him. Like you, I never had a problem with Jenkin's calling the team out a few years back. The bigger problem is the lack of heart, fire, desire is still dogging this team, with the exception of a few players, and this has not been addressed to date. If JR truly wants to emulate the Steelers', he needs to do everything possible to address this with the next coaching change whether that be a Bill Cowher, another experienced HC, or a newbie.

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I didn't have a problem with it when he said it the first time, and I don't have a problem with it now.

If this is the kind of thing that gets you kicked out, well..

They let Kris go when he asked to be. No one "kicked" him out.

Now, they did "kick" Chris Harris out after he complained about the company line this year. He never asked to be traded.

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I think Jenkins was being a little bit of a hypocrite, he pointed out his weight and I would define showing up in shape as part of taking passion & pride in your job but I think he had a point none the less.

The one thing that has always bothered me about Fox is that he doesn't seem to make players accountable when they screw up, at least from where I sit. When someone fumbles a ball he claps and says something to the effect of: "don't worry about it" when you read his lips. I don't expect him to run out on the field and grab someone by the facemask when they screw up, but I have never once seen Fox confront a player on the sideline or even give a guy the "stink eye" as they walked off the field. Maybe it's just not his style to criticize in public, and he rips people a new one in practice and the lockeroom, but I haven't see it at OTA's, training camp, mini camp, etc. Sometimes, the only way to motivate someone and get their attention is to embarass them by dressing them down on the sideline, in a press conference, etc. Sometimes the coaches job is to be the bad guy.

Gibbs and Dungy were able to motivate without yelling at anyone, but I also think they bonded with their players more than Fox does. The guys that played for Dungy and Gibbs loved those coaches like a father and they didn't want to dissapoint them. Fox has a good relationship with his players, but I don't think he's ever been so close to his players that they were afraid to dissapoint him.

Beason and Smith have heart because they were born that way. There are other guys who need to be motivated and I don't think Fox is a particularly good motivator.

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Yeah funny he got traded not long after that. Apparently our franchise and JR are happy with just being "here." Talk out of line, talk out of emotion, show some passion, you're booted off the team. Stand up, cheer, show some emotion, you're booted out of the stadium.

Don't tell us about improving! Don't tell us we don't care! Why? Because we don't care!

As a side note, I remember when Jenks said that and I don't think this is anything close to the problem now as it was then... This year isn't passion, heart, etc. on the players parts, most of it is lackadaisical play calling and approach to the game from the FO and coaches and it just trickles down into the execution.

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Jangler Newbie

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If Fox has a "whatever attitude"....how does he get the team to fight back to get to 8-8? Last year same thing, and we went 8-5 on the last 13 games. So somehow he fires them up. And last year was not the first he has done this.

We will see in the next 2 games if he has lost them team or just doesn't care. If we go 0-5 the season will officially be over.

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