Are the Panthers suicidal?

[Nytrogen]

it's fake, the A's L's O's E's T's and R's are all the same.

Pro tip: One R.

[rayzor]

hmmm....panthers are losing on purpose or maybe they are just bad?

panthers are deciding to be stupid and not run or they just can't run well anymore?

no conspiracy theory going on here. there isn't anything shady or any effort to try and blow the season. panthers are a one trick lame pony. they can't do what they do best because there is no threat of them doing anything else. they can't impose their will to run on anyone because every team can commit all but 3 players to shutting it down. there is no threat from the passing game. there is no passing game.

it can turn around but the real reason they aren't running is because they can't. until the passing game is fixed and one of the Wrs can actually get open, we aren't going to be running anymore than we are.

[Catdaddy]

Life is bad when you wish you had Jake back

[Kevin Greene]

Are the Panthers suicidal?

No, just stupid.

[GRWatcher]

Did any of you losers ever realize that the players can take themselves out of the game? That would have nothing to do with the coaches' decisions except for Davidson trying to call plays without having consistent personnel on the field. That is what I saw happening with DeAngelo last week, at times taking himself out of the game after a run, believe he had a problem with his right hip because he was holding it. So in goes Goodson for the 4th quarter. With both Stewart and Williams hurting even slightly why chance more injury when Goodson is doing well?

Is that the elephant in the closet? No one willing to admit that the players at this point might have a lot more to do with us losing than the coaches?

[PantherPhann]

I mean that as - D-Williams only getting 10 carries last week. TEN.

6.4YPC, and he got 10 carries. They throw in Mike Goodson, who played pretty well, but still. Williams carried the Panthers to the playoffs two years ago, what happened? Stewart is a straight beast and he only gets 8 carries (1.6 YPC though). Did we just decide we want to break in the rookie QB all of a sudden and let him throw 30+ times to rookie WR's?

Something is wrong with this team, not the players. I think there are some kinda handcuffs on Fox to do certain things (like start Clausen, keep Williams and Stewart on the bench so we lose, not throw Steve Smith the ball much).

I think it's obvious we aren't doing everything we can to win games. I'd like to see the offensive game plan against the Saints, who have the worst D of all the teams the Panthers have played so far. Williams gets 10 carries again with a 6.4YPC, Panthers don't want to win. Plain and simple.

I agree man. I did a Post titles "Is this intentional" sayin/asking is Fox trowing the season. I mean with the game plan we are using, something is seriously wrong. I don't think we have a game plan in place to win games. We have two of the best RB's in the league and are barely using them with both inexperienced QB's, what gives. What in the world is going on in our front office.

[rayzor]

I agree man. I did a Post titles "Is this intentional" sayin/asking is Fox trowing the season. I mean with the game plan we are using, something is seriously wrong. I don't think we have a game plan in place to win games. We have two of the best RB's in the league and are barely using them with both inexperienced QB's, what gives. What in the world is going on in our front office.

pay attention.

they aren't running because it isn't working. the league knows how to shut down the panthers run game and it's working. they are abandoning it only because 1) it isn't working and 2) they are playing from behind.

until the passing game improves and opens things up for the run game, the run game will stay just as it is.

don't make this out to be something that it isn't.

[Kevin Greene]

pay attention.

they aren't running because it isn't working. the league knows how to shut down the panthers run game and it's working. they are abandoning it only because 1) it isn't working and 2) they are playing from behind.

until the passing game improves and opens things up for the run game, the run game will stay just as it is.

don't make this out to be something that it isn't.

Yeah but.

Why can a team like the Titans (2-1) run the ball and win when they average 160 yards a game passing the ball?

Call me crazy but if Chris Johnson gets 25 rushes per game where would the Panthers be if DWill got the same?

We average 33 pass attempts per game, the Titans 23. The Panthers have a saying, "Keep pounding", if they would do that the long runs would come I believe.

[rayzor]

Yeah but.

Why can a team like the Titans (2-1) run the ball and win when they average 160 yards a game passing the ball?

Call me crazy but if Chris Johnson gets 25 rushes per game where would the Panthers be if DWill got the same?

We average 33 pass attempts per game, the Titans 23. The Panthers have a saying, "Keep pounding", if they would do that the long runs would come I believe.

ok you are all right. they are purposely tanking the season. JR hates us all and he's trying to sell the team.

believe whatever crap conspiracy theory you want.

[Kevin Greene]

ok you are all right. they are purposely tanking the season. JR hates us all and he's trying to sell the team.

believe whatever crap conspiracy theory you want.

My response had nothing to do with a whack conspiracy theory. Just that the Panthers ought to be able to run the ball, and if they'd give themselves a chance, they could.

[rayzor]

they ought. they can't. simple as that. until the passing game improves it will continue to be the same. i don't know and don't care what the titans are doing. the defenses the panthers are facing are blitzing on every down with minimal coverage on the WRs. smith can't beat double coverage anymore. the other two receivers can't beat the one guy that is assigned to them. no one else can get open because everyone is needed to block.

run is shut down. they are playing from behind. these are the reasons we aren't running.

[Kevin Greene]

they ought. they can't. simple as that. until the passing game improves it will continue to be the same. i don't know and don't care what the titans are doing. the defenses the panthers are facing are blitzing on every down with minimal coverage on the WRs. smith can't beat double coverage anymore. the other two receivers can't beat the one guy that is assigned to them. no one else can get open because everyone is needed to block.

run is shut down. they are playing from behind. these are the reasons we aren't running.

You're not paying attention. Again, we have to run more. The Op's conspiracy theory in his 1st post aside he did point out DWill had 10 rushes at 6.4 YPC last game. How about 25 DWill ruhes at even 5 YPC?

You state we can't run the ball yet DWill is averaging 4.2 YPC this year.

A DWill 50 yard run on carry #17 can stretch the field as effectively as a deep bomb. Last year we ran the ball pretty well but all those pitiful deep routes Moose kept running were a waste of time and Delhomme.....well.

[rayzor]

You're not paying attention. Again, we have to run more. The Op's conspiracy theory in his 1st post aside he did point out DWill had 10 rushes at 6.4 YPC last game. How about 25 DWill ruhes at even 5 YPC?

You state we can't run the ball yet DWill is averaging 4.2 YPC this year.

A DWill 50 yard run on carry #17 can stretch the field as effectively as a deep bomb. Last year we ran the ball pretty well but all those pitiful deep routes Moose kept running were a waste of time and Delhomme.....well.

he ran the ball 10 times for 64 yards. he managed somehow to break off one run for 26 yards. that leaves you with a 4.2 ypc. you happy with that? and that big one was in our first possession.

let's look at how williams did...

1st qtr

1-15-CAR 48 (14:44) 34-D.Williams up the middle to CAR 49 for 1 yard

2-14-CAR 49 (14:14) 34-D.Williams up the middle ran ob at CIN 25 for 26 yards

1-10-CAR 4 (10:48) 34-D.Williams left tackle to CAR 6 for 2 yards

2-8-CAR 6 (10:16) 34-D.Williams up the middle to CAR 6 for no gain

3-8-CAR 6 (9:43) 34-D.Williams right tackle to CAR 6 for no gain

3rd qtr

1-10-CAR 25 (11:39) 34-D.Williams left tackle to CAR 25 for no gain

1-10-CAR 39 (10:42) 34-D.Williams up the middle to CAR 41 for 2 yards

1-10-CIN 16 (9:11) 34-D.Williams up the middle to CIN 1 for 15 yards

4th qtr

2-10-CAR 16 (11:25) 34-D.Williams up the middle to CAR 30 for 14 yards

1-10-CAR 39 (7:21) (Shotgun) 34-D.Williams up the middle to CAR 43 for 4 yards (57-D.Jones).

6 of his 10 carries were for 2 yards or less....3 of them were for no gain.

you can look at that 6.4 ypc or even that 4.2 and you could be mislead into thinking that he was still somewhat productive. he wasn't. sad thing is, he did better than the rest of the guys. stewart had 9 carries. he had a 7 yarder and a 3 yarder and the rest were either 1 yards, o yards, or -1 yards (although he did turn one of those 1 yard runs into a TD.

don't let that 6.4 ypc of williams fool you. the run game isn't working. it's being abandoned not because this team has any kind of death wish. it's because it can't do it well anymore.

i'll keep on beating this dead horse...we aren't running more because we aren't able to do it well. it's getting shut down at least 90% of the time. you can only run into a brick wall so many times before you realize that it isn't going to get you anywhere.

what makes matters worse is that we are falling behind. you don't run the ball to catch up. you have to run early and have success with it early and hope that your defense can help you control the clock. that isn't happening.

again, we are giving up on the run because it is getting shut down and because we are falling behind. two huge knocks against it.

until the passing game can take attention away from the run game and keep people back from blitzing in, it will continue to be that way.

until we can get our defense to stop allowing the other team to get more points on the board than our offense does (and our offense do a better job of getting points on the board) then we will be playing from behind.

want another reason? terrible starting field position. when you have to go the length of the field so often and you are playing from behind, you have no choice but to try and get your passing game to try and help you get down the field.

face it. it just isn't working.

[Kevin Greene]

YPC average is effected this year just like every other year by long Deangelo Williams runs. That's why DWill tied Jim Brown's 1963 record of most 30 yard or more touch down runs from scrimmage. We'll never agree on the the problem with the run game because I think the problem is it isn't used enough. You blame the Wide receiver corp:

Smith can't beat double coverage anymore. the other two receivers can't beat the one guy that is assigned to them. no one else can get open because everyone is needed to block.

run is shut down. they are playing from behind. these are the reasons we aren't running.

So be it, you have your opinion, I have mine.

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