Clausen already smarter then jake...

[CRA]

throwing it in double coverage isn't the issue. letting the defense know you are going to do that is the issue. thats where playing smart comes in.

i really don't mind him getting the ball out quick. he's got to do that to get defenders worried about someone else other than smith. it's a good way to get the chains moving as well.

but if he is only throwing those short passes and bails out of the pocket not letting plays develop....it will just allow D's to get more aggressive with him.

Fox's offense isn't about short safe throws.....it is about the threat of the deep play action.

[Guest DrewBreesIsGod]

Clausen said he wants to get the ball to Smith, but that it would be a mistake to force it to his star receiver, especially if he's constantly double-covered, as he has been.

"I can't force anything," Clausen said. "I tried to force that one into him (Sunday), and it got intercepted. And that is what you get more times than making a completion. I have to be smart."

Yeah, that will work so well, Smith not getting the ball. He's had a history of staying quiet when he doesn't get the ball.....:confused:

[eViL jEsTeR]

Clausen said he wants to get the ball to Smith, but that it would be a mistake to force it to his star receiver, especially if he's constantly double-covered, as he has been.

"I can't force anything," Clausen said. "I tried to force that one into him (Sunday), and it got intercepted. And that is what you get more times than making a completion. I have to be smart."

this is exactly what i hated about jake. moore was jake lite. this is also why smitty was upset because he now knows he doesn't have a QB to throw it to him in triple coverage like jake use to do. i forsee smitty being traded or forcing his release at some point in the next year or so. when is his contract up? one more year?

[CRA]

this is exactly what i hated about jake. moore was jake lite. this is also why smitty was upset because he now knows he doesn't have a QB to throw it to him in triple coverage like jake use to do. i forsee smitty being traded or forcing his release at some point in the next year or so. when is his contract up? one more year?

well, I am not a huge fan of the type QB Jake and Moore are (basically the same type QBs). But in Fox's offense that is exactly what you need. You need a pre Tommy John Jake or what Moore has been for most of starts.

[panthers55]

I clearly stated that Peyton takes chances and shots downfield, but he mixes that up with some incredibly smart football. It's that mix that keeps teams off balance. Obviously you can't compare the two players, however more often than not I see Peyton making the smart throw.

If you live and die by the big play threat, it becomes easier and easier to predict and defend. Forcing it to Smitty is exactly what they want us to do, because they know it's coming. We have yet to prove we can build a gameplan where Steve Smith is NOT the focal point.

Regardless you seem to have missed my point. I am not talking about 'dumping it off' every play. I am talking about taking advantage of the one on one matchups that are going to be there with Smith being heavily covered. We do play with more than one wide receiver you know...

There are some nice quick developing WR routes that could and should be more involved. Our Hbs can all catch and rather than having them as a dump off, we need plays that are designed to get yards rather than keep the drive going. There are also intermediate routes.

The vertical game is great if your OLine can protect the QB long enough for the plays to develop. As it is, I have very rarely seen it happen this season. Both Moore and Clausen have been hit hard several times and it's only a matter of time that one of them picks up an injury.

We need to slow down the pass rush before we can use the longer pass plays, unless we can shore up the OLine play.

Of course the vertical passing game opens up the running game, but currently we can't get push and we can't complete longer passes due to no time in the pocket. Do you honestly suggest that we just stick with it?! Clausen needs to develop some game time confidence and get his nerves under control, a quick passing game will help that happen, keep him upright and force the defence to consider other receivers on our team a threat.

What other receivers? The guys who can't get open in single coverage, the ones who go 8 yards down the field when we need 10 or the tight ends who drop the ball or disappear for most of the game. You can talk about other options all day but we saw how they worked in preseason when Smitty wasn't in there. Most of the time throwing to Smitty in double coverage is more of a sure thing than throwing to anyone else on the team.

[panthers55]

Yeah, that will work so well, Smith not getting the ball. He's had a history of staying quiet when he doesn't get the ball.....:confused:

Sounds like Clausen is already making excuses for not being able to throw it down the field or fit the ball into Smitty. Should make for an easy day for the Saints. The Clausen apologists are qworking overtime before he actual plays. I can only imagine the excuses if he plays as badly this week as he did last Sunday.

[Catdaddy]

Jake is pretty smart, he's getting a paycheck from two teams every week!

[panthers55]

but if he is only throwing those short passes and bails out of the pocket not letting plays develop....it will just allow D's to get more aggressive with him.

Fox's offense isn't about short safe throws.....it is about the threat of the deep play action.

Exactly. Folks here think it is either or and it is both. Whether he is covered or not you have to take shots down the field and get Smitty the ball. He is the one gamechanger we have among the receivers and the only one teams gameplan for. If you shy away from throwing him the ball even into tight coverage, the offense will continue to score in single digits just like the last game.

[Anybodyhome]

Smarter than Jake? Is he renting instead of buying?

[Snake]

I think a chap called Peyton Manning would disagree. The guy always uses whatever play will have the most success against whatever the defence is offering.

Does he take shots? Of course, but they are usually after he has frustrated the opposition by continually finding the open man quickly. The other thing is he gets it out faster than anyone else in the business, which reduces sacks and hits and causes the opposition to slow down their pass rush.

If defences are pinning their ears back against Jimmy, then I want him to get it out quick and take that pass rush out the equation. If the opposition wants us to prove we can continually find the open man, then again I want him to do it. Each and every time he does this it will force the opposition to reconsider their game plan and every time they try and jump the route on Smitty, they will have second thoughts about where it's going to go.

Carr was a shell simply because of the abuse he took from a mountain of sacks, causing him to feel pressure when it's not coming. Clausen doesn't need to panic yet, all he needs to do is play sensible football and the opposition will learn to respect him.

Payton Manning had two things Jimmy dose not have though. A OC worth a damn and one of the best QB coaches in the league. Same thing goes for the Pats. I think Jimmy will be fine. He took a beating a ND so he knows what to expect but the truth is it cant go anywhere but up from here. The Colts Oline made a promise Paytons first season to keep him upright at all cost. Our Oline needs to do the same. I would not fault the D for choke slamming a defender while protecting there QB but it pisses me off when they take hits like what Moore and Jimmy have taken.

[Jrock3016]

Exactly. Folks here think it is either or and it is both. Whether he is covered or not you have to take shots down the field and get Smitty the ball. He is the one gamechanger we have among the receivers and the only one teams gameplan for. If you shy away from throwing him the ball even into tight coverage, the offense will continue to score in single digits just like the last game.

so you saying force the ball to smitty and get intercepted?

[Mr. Scot]

so you saying force the ball to smitty and get intercepted?

No, but you can't get scared every time a DB says "boo" either.

As mentioned, pro football is a game of inches. If you play it safe all the time, opponents can take advantage of that.

You gotta grow a pair once in a while if you want to win.