When will we be good again?

[thefuzz]

We need to do a few things, and a few things just need to happen for us to be good again.

Things that we have to do:

1. Sign some core vets. Beason, Kalil, Williams or Stew.

2. Have to hit on some draft picks, and stop trading them away so we can save money.

3. Have to get a coach in here that can work with our FO.

Things that need to happen:

1. Clausen needs to develop into a top 10 QB.

2. Generate a consistant pass rush.

3. Gross needs to get his mojo back.

If two from the top tier and two from the bottom tier happen, we can be good in less than 3 years.

[Kettle]

our roster is a reflection of both its age and its salary

[H2oproof]

hasnt been mentioned yet. figured we should at least cover all our bases first to make sure this a well rounded thread.

gotcha

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I vowed to not shave until the panthers get a win, so I could look like Braylon Edwards before it's all over... lol

I wonder if Braylon Edwards' beard catches more things than his hands?

[c0r]

I don't think there will be a lockout.

why?

i used to feel that way but i now think it is going to happen.

[CatMan72]

I think we will improve quite a bit as the season goes along, but it will be too little and too late for a playoff run this year.

Next year (or whenever there is football again) we will have a young talented core of players and 70 million in cap space... not a bad place to be.

[PantherBrew]

why?

i used to feel that way but i now think it is going to happen.

First and foremost, the NFL did not get to the top of the sports pyramid by being stupid, and the lockout would be very stupid. These guys are so good, they wont let emotions stand in the way of pragmatism. Meaning, either they both and give a little and and lose a little, or they both lose.

Secondly, The players want more of the "pie" and so do the owners, so instead of the owners giving that. They want to expand the pie. The players will resist at first, however money talks. And with the expanded rosters and a rookie pay scale, veterans needs will be met.

Lastly and most recently, yesterdays meeting seemed cordial and positive. Furthermore and surprisingly, they even had a joint statement. This outcome, opposed to storming out and raising hell, gives me even more optimism of no lockout.

[CatMan72]

First and foremost, the NFL did not get to the top of the sports pyramid by being stupid, and the lockout would be very stupid. These guys are so good, they wont let emotions stand in the way of pragmatism. Meaning, either they both and give a little and and lose a little, or they both lose.

Secondly, The players want more of the "pie" and so do the owners, so instead of the owners giving that. They want to expand the pie. The players will resist at first, however money talks. And with the expanded rosters and a rookie pay scale, veterans needs will be met.

Lastly and most recently, yesterdays meeting seemed cordial and positive. Furthermore and surprisingly, they even had a joint statement. This outcome, opposed to storming out and raising hell, gives me even more optimism of no lockout.

I agree and as a matter of practice nothing ever gets done until the last minute with these labor disputes... the owners and players union are smart enough to realize a lockout hurts everyone.

[thefuzz]

why?

i used to feel that way but i now think it is going to happen.

This can be answered in 1 word.

Money.

The vast majority of the players will not be able to go without game checks, but I would assume that the owners would be able to do so.

4 games/lockout weeks into the season next year, and you will see the players cave.

[panthers55]

Depends on who the next coach is and whether the rebuilding is just starting or almost over. If he for example brings in a veteran and clausen sits the bench, all of his supposed experience doesn't matter. Or if we decide to go to a 3-4 next year that could take a year or two to develop. At this point all we can say is we aren't very good and things are very much up in the air.

[hepcat]

Depends on who the next coach is and whether the rebuilding is just starting or almost over. If he for example brings in a veteran and clausen sits the bench, all of his supposed experience doesn't matter. Or if we decide to go to a 3-4 next year that could take a year or two to develop. At this point all we can say is we aren't very good and things are very much up in the air.

Did the Packers switch to a 3-4 last year or in '08? They seemed to make the transition pretty fast.

[thefuzz]

Did the Packers switch to a 3-4 last year or in '08? They seemed to make the transition pretty fast.

They had one of the best D's in the league the same year they switched.....however. They have a QB that can really throw the ball around and make teams play from behind, and that helps a D tremendously.

[Cat'sGrowl]

*sigh*

People are overreacting, again.

You guys don't seem to understand that most of the people on the team that are here now, will be here "when we're good again."

We aren't at a loss for talent on this team, no matter what anyone wants to believe.

[Brooklyn Bully]

GOOD? 3-5 seasons.

Super Bowl? Anywhere from 3-40 years. SI had a list of years that it's been since a team has made the big dance, and there are some large numbers in that list. We may not see it again until we're all much, much older.