Once again I will go on record that we must pass first to win this week

[Jpjr]

Apologies to the run run run crowd, but as good as our running game is (in theory), it is not good enough to exploit a defense that will load the box anticipating run on every first and second down.

I said it last week and I'll say it again... every single defense in this league is going to force the Panthers to pass. The run on its own will not be there. We need to be throwing early and often.

Did anyone notice that the Panthers started moving the ball in the second half against the Bengals with a little play action on first or second down? After all, play action works when a defense is anticipating run and you pass.

If I were calling the plays (which many of you are surely glad I am not) I would establish the pass early even if it is not successful. I would pass the first 3 downs even if we punt. Sooner or later, the mere threat of passing will open up the running game.

Or, for the fourth week in a row, we can play right into the other teams defensive scheme by running on first and second down and then hope the rookie quarterback can use his experience to convert third-and-long throws into a nickel defense.

[panthers55]

Apologies to the run run run crowd, but as good as our running game is (in theory), it is not good enough to exploit a defense that will load the box anticipating run on every first and second down.

I said it last week and I'll say it again... every single defense in this league is going to force the Panthers to pass. The run on its own will not be there. We need to be throwing early and often.

Did anyone notice that the Panthers started moving the ball in the second half against the Bengals with a little play action on first or second down? After all, play action works when a defense is anticipating run and you pass.

If I were calling the plays (which many of you are surely glad I am not) I would establish the pass early even if it is not successful. I would pass the first 3 downs even if we punt. Sooner or later, the mere threat of passing will open up the running game.

Or, for the fourth week in a row, we can play right into the other teams defensive scheme by running on first and second down and then hope the rookie quarterback can use his experience to convert third-and-long throws into a nickel defense.

Actually when we went to the shotgun we started opening things up. I thought clausen looked much better in the shotgun than taking hikes from center and using playaction.

As for passing it isn't doing it or not doing it but when you do it. I would like us to do some screens and flair passes to the flats to take advantage of the blitzing aggressive defense. Once you burn them a few times, they call off the blitzes and dial back the pressure.

[bleys]

Rule #1: keep defenses on their toes..

As bad of an idea as it is to put the ball in the hands of a rookie.. Its even worse to be as predictable in the run game as we have been/have seen.

I agree with you.. We have to pass to open up the run, because the run isn't there..

We will not win by run on 1st and 2nd, so let's try something different..

What do have have to lose? The game?

Give Clausen some help by getting him in rhythm and not throwing on 3rd and long..

[Clawsome2]

Pantherfan55 aka matt moore is right

[panthers55]

Pantherfan55 aka matt moore is right

Do you think the constant comments win you fans or make you look intelligent? Instead of stupid comments how about either show you can talk football and sound intelligent instead of a middle schooler who makes fun of others when he has nothing of substance to add to the conversation. or go to smack where you fit right in.

Grow up son.

[bleys]

Actually when we went to the shotgun we started opening things up. I thought clausen looked much better in the shotgun than taking hikes from center and using playaction.

As for passing it isn't doing it or not doing it but when you do it. I would like us to do some screens and flair passes to the flats to take advantage of the blitzing aggressive defense. Once you burn them a few times, they call off the blitzes and dial back the pressure.

Definitely agree.. There are better pass plays than playaction down the field..

[Jpjr]

Actually when we went to the shotgun we started opening things up. I thought clausen looked much better in the shotgun than taking hikes from center and using playaction.

As for passing it isn't doing it or not doing it but when you do it. I would like us to do some screens and flair passes to the flats to take advantage of the blitzing aggressive defense. Once you burn them a few times, they call off the blitzes and dial back the pressure.

I wasn't a huge fan of the spread formation because it gave away pass and they still brought pressure. I was a bigger fan of play action. I'm a huge fan of dumping the ball off to a running back in space.

Either way, I don't disagree with the point you are making. My point is simply to mix up the game plan and don't be afraid to put the ball in the air early.

[Jpjr]

Definitely agree.. There are better pass plays than playaction down the field..

Don't know what to say. Play action was invented for a team known for the run. Until our passing threat is more established it is the best option.

[trucpfan]

rep+ This is the way for us to win we might not have the most deceptive plays but this would shut me up and definitely keep the defense guessing if we pass three straight plays or something to that affect. Good thought its a must to tame the wild blitzes they will show especially run biltzes early in the game.

Alright P55 no smack from me only football talk

edit: playaction will really sting them out of the I formation because they will of course think run run run....jpjr you took the words out of my mouth

[YourMomsLover]

Pantherfan55 aka matt moore is right

Dey see me trollin....dey hatin

[panthers55]

I wasn't a huge fan of the spread formation because it gave away pass and they still brought pressure. I was a bigger fan of play action. I'm a huge fan of dumping the ball off to a running back in space.

Either way, I don't disagree with the point you are making. My point is simply to mix up the game plan and don't be afraid to put the ball in the air early.

Then you weren't watching the game. When we used playaction primarily in the first half they kept 9 in the box and run blitzed the linebackers. They covered our 2 receivers one on one with a single safety up top to cover Smitty and we had no where to go. Playaction works when it freezes the safety or makes them come down into the box. Then the quarterback has to throw the ball over the top to the receiver who is now in single coverage.

It didn't work because we weren't throwing deep and in fact in the first half we weren't throwing at all.

Throwing early and often sounds good but it is naive to just say that. Quarterbacks have to look at the defense and throw or run based on what they see not a preconceived notion of what they should do regardless. That kind of mentality is why we go three and out to start the game most times. We script plays like 3 runs and ignore what the defense is doing.

Saying that we will throw early and often suggests that teams come out with 9 in the box and we are trying to beat it by throwing. In that case it would be appropriate. But to say we should do it anyway regardless of the defense is as ridiculous as what we do now which is run the ball every down no matter how many folks are in the box.

[Jpjr]

Then you weren't watching the game. When we used playaction primarily in the first half they kept 9 in the box and run blitzed the linebackers. They covered our 2 receivers one on one with a single safety up top to cover Smitty and we had no where to go. Playaction works when it freezes the safety or makes them come down into the box. Then the quarterback has to throw the ball over the top to the receiver who is now in single coverage.

It didn't work because we weren't throwing deep and in fact in the first half we weren't throwing at all.

Throwing early and often sounds good but it is naive to just say that. Quarterbacks have to look at the defense and throw or run based on what they see not a preconceived notion of what they should do regardless. That kind of mentality is why we go three and out to start the game most times. We script plays like 3 runs and ignore what the defense is doing.

Saying that we will throw early and often suggests that teams come out with 9 in the box and we are trying to beat it by throwing. In that case it would be appropriate. But to say we should do it anyway regardless of the defense is as ridiculous as what we do now which is run the ball every down no matter how many folks are in the box.

You are right I must not have watched the game.

I was trying to make a simple point that the key to a win will be passing to establish the run.

Play action is the single best option this offense has right now. But if you don't think that, I'm also cool with an outright spread spread formation even if it gives away the pass more. Mix up the play calls with passes and runs. They should do anything they need to do with the passing game in order to establish the run which is the strength of this offense. At this point anything that qualifies as an offensive scheme I am good with...

[trucpfan]

Then you weren't watching the game. When we used playaction primarily in the first half they kept 9 in the box and run blitzed the linebackers. They covered our 2 receivers one on one with a single safety up top to cover Smitty and we had no where to go. Playaction works when it freezes the safety or makes them come down into the box. Then the quarterback has to throw the ball over the top to the receiver who is now in single coverage.

It didn't work because we weren't throwing deep and in fact in the first half we weren't throwing at all.

Throwing early and often sounds good but it is naive to just say that. Quarterbacks have to look at the defense and throw or run based on what they see not a preconceived notion of what they should do regardless. That kind of mentality is why we go three and out to start the game most times. We script plays like 3 runs and ignore what the defense is doing.

Saying that we will throw early and often suggests that teams come out with 9 in the box and we are trying to beat it by throwing. In that case it would be appropriate. But to say we should do it anyway regardless of the defense is as ridiculous as what we do now which is run the ball every down no matter how many folks are in the box.

I have to agree with you on that we do need to spread the field just spread it and let him pass some to counter balance what they are planning for. Yeah the playaction will look good and work here and there but that leaves us with basically two maybe three options and based on the play design that might not give him enough options. Let goodson see the field in a slot role early in the game not 3rd and 4th quarters. It would be nice to actually try a run out of a spread formation but that may cause deception which we dont like.

Hey why try to trick em' we are the PANTHERS we should just be able to run over them all.:confused: Damn stubborn fox

[bleys]

I guess better playcalling is the best way to sum this thread up...