I thought Clausen looked good...

[PantherFanForLife]

Funny when I mention the biggest laughing stock on this site you automatically assume the post was directed towards you? Interesting indeed....

Very. And it wasn't automatic. But it did made me consider the possibility, when you replied to one of my posts in a similar dimissive manner last week.

That's actually what I thought. Reminded me of that.

Just cause someone's new to the HUDDLE and doesn't have 9000 posts doesn't mean they are green to football, or have any less knowledge than the first member of this site. It just means they are new here.

[Zod]

To be fair, I am equally as dismissive to clueless huddlers with 9000 posts and I won't name names (Meat).

[PantherFanForLife]

To be fair, I am equally as dismissive to clueless huddlers with 9000 posts and I won't name names (Meat).

Well then in that case, and in all fairness, expect the same treatment from me. Peace.

[Peppers90 NC]

Yes he does.

I know this is really hard to understand around these parts, but he just has a different opinion than you. So do I.

Both of them DID suck.

So you can 100% positively say that Clausen has no chance to be a good QB? That is what that fool was saying and you agree with him. That's the point, if you think you can make an assumption after one performance with a bad run game and minimal receiving threats, then you are clueless. The kid can play, and you will be his biggest nut hugger soon enough. I do believe Moore got shafted in this whole ordeal but no need to look back now, we will have a new coach next year who can make his own decision, but you can pretty much bet Clausen will be his guy.

[ClawOn]

It's not real complicated. Clausen has outperformed Moore in terms of pocket awareness and presence, decision making, accuracy, and arm strength. Moore is better at the center exchange. Clausen made a bad throw/ decision in single coverage. Moore made bad throws/ decisions in triple coverage. You don't have to be Jon Gruden to analyze who will be the better QB.

[rayzor]

funny using moore's performance against the bucs as evidence that the offense was clicking more with him.

anyway...old argument. matt moore was so last week. he's just a footnote now.

[Jpjr]

I don't really know what the argument is between Clausen and Moore.

All else equal, which it basically is right now, you play the rookie with the 4 year contract.

It's really that simple. Clausen not getting it done after 1 game in the league leaves much more promise than Moore not getting it done after 10 starts and 3 years in the league.

[koolkatluke]

Ok first. I agree. Clausen at times had looked better and shown more promise than Matt. Never argued that point.

That wasn't the point though. The point was so far the best offense and QB play we have had this year, was Matt's second game. I can't possibly agree with him getting more credit than he deserves 'cause around here he hardly got any. In fact that's my problem. Matt's second game was an improvement over the first yet he got benched. Most don't want to admitt that.

Second, Jimmy played no better on Sunday than Matt did during his second game. He played worse, imo and the numbers along with a few other factors back that up. Does he get an excuse cause he's a rookie? Sure. But that doesn't change that overall he didn't play any better with this team, but actually slightly worse. However here, Matt's improved performance is nonexistent, and Matt's playing during his second game is lumped in with the first as terrible(because he had a very poor first game) but Jimmy's first game is considered good. Hipocrasy? Absolutely.

Furthermore, even though Matt has proven he can be a consistent winner, by winning 4 out of 5 games last year, and also showing improvement this year from his first to second game, he can't possibly be given the benefit of the doubt for having a bad season opener, or the potential and possibility of improving throughout the season. Around here Jimmy's the only one that can improve while Matt wasn't going to do any better.

Last but not least. That's no conspiracy theory. It's pretty common practice. Zod is a popular guy here. That's fact. At one point he probably did a whole bunch of homework and made a name for himself by making good arguments backed up by facts. I'm sure he still does, although from what I see, not always backed up by true facts anymore. The less informed guys looked to him for answers on specific matters. Eventually you make a name for yourself. You become the spokesperson of the majority. Problem is you have to handle it and you want to keep it. And sometimes you in return have to back a general opinion, that even you know deep down, you don't 100% support, because otherwise you risk losing your "fan" support, shall I say. You even join in trying to discredit folks(see his initial response to that guy). After awhile the chore of staying on top of things, digging up facts, and so on becomes pretty mundane. Sometimes you just want to state your personal opinion and have people support it, rather than take a true objective stand on the matter. So you do.

And to give you another pratical example of the gang mentality, I am of the opinion that Matt got benched early, probably shouldn't have but now that he did, I think Jimmy should remain the starter because consistency is the best thing you can give this team, and it's a great way of seeing what Jimmy has to offer. I actually SUPPORT Jimmy being our starting QB and believe one of the worst thigns we can do is bench him now.

Now that attitude isn't exactly that "100% behind Jimmy he's our guy type attitude". It's a harsh I'm not impressed yet. I want to see something before I start waving the Jimmy flag.

So what happens? The steps above happen. To the point, where people will take what I said, push it to the extremes, especially when I am not around and turn it into something that can hopefully make me lose credibility.

Example: PantherFanForLife wants Moore to start.

Reality: The above is 100% false. The person writing that even knows that. He's trying to re-create and spin an opinion that is based on sound thought into something that even more people would consider outrageous. It was only stated to accomplish one or more of the tasks I pointed out above.

Good night.

I've seen alot of your post in this thread and you have some valid points but your only reason for feeling like Matt had a better game against Tampa then Jimmy against Cincy is he threw a TD or got the ball too Smith more right?

If that is then what games were you watching? You don't mention the fact that Jimmy went against a better Def. then Matt did. Jimmy was in worst throwing condition then Matt. Matthad more reps with the first team then Jimmy and 4 years more pratice with Steve Smith. Jimmy look better in the pocket. Jimmy made better choices with the ball (throwing the ball away avoiding the Rush kept his eyes down field) then Matt. I don't see how you feel Matt had a better game even with no TD passes for Jimmy he had a better QB rating then Matt in tampa.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Is Pantherfan4life still crying about Jimmy?

Sheesh.

Face it man, Moore sucks.

[Clawsome2]

Moore is garbage , you know why there is no moore jerseys in any store anywhere ever? Because garbage career backups dont sell jerseys pantherfanforlife

[MadHatter]

Very. And it wasn't automatic. But it did made me consider the possibility, when you replied to one of my posts in a similar dimissive manner last week.

That's actually what I thought. Reminded me of that.

Just cause someone's new to the HUDDLE and doesn't have 9000 posts doesn't mean they are green to football, or have any less knowledge than the first member of this site. It just means they are new here.

It was obvious to the rest of us......:eek:

[MadHatter]

So you can 100% positively say that Clausen has no chance to be a good QB? That is what that fool was saying and you agree with him. That's the point, if you think you can make an assumption after one performance with a bad run game and minimal receiving threats, then you are clueless. The kid can play, and you will be his biggest nut hugger soon enough. I do believe Moore got shafted in this whole ordeal but no need to look back now, we will have a new coach next year who can make his own decision, but you can pretty much bet Clausen will be his guy.

I do not know how people think Moore got "shafted". He was anointed the starter...only to come out in 4 preseason games and 2 regular season games and SUCK ASS at all times.

He lost the job....plain and simple.

[rayzor]

I don't really know what the argument is between Clausen and Moore.

All else equal, which it basically is right now, you play the rookie with the 4 year contract.

It's really that simple. Clausen not getting it done after 1 game in the league leaves much more promise than Moore not getting it done after 10 starts and 3 years in the league.

very good and reasonable way of putting it.

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

With the 48th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Carolina Panthers select... Jimmy Clausen, Quarterback from the University of Notre Dame.

At that moment we all knew that one day Jimmy would take over this team. And for the better.