I thought Clausen looked good...

[PantherFanForLife]

ok...show me where i said anything that was less than conservative regarding expectations for his first game.

Dude let's go over this again cause I think we are losing each other somewhere here.

Above you just said Clausen played like you expected. I'm the one asking you, where did you make such conservative predictions?

That's exactly what I was saying...you were reserved yes, but you never sounded quite THAT conservative. Not like his actual numbers turned out to be.

[mav1234]

really, most of these threads boil down to two types of people (rarely are the WOO CLAUSEN IS AWESOME :DDDD HES WINNING THE SUPREBOWL :DDD people in them):

1) People who think Clausen was uninspiring and think he didn't do better than Moore.

2) People that think Clausen showed improvement that gives us more hope for the future than Moore.

That is just how I see it. Considering the situation, I thought Clausen showed solid improvement and posted a respectable second half for a rookie. I think he has plenty to work on, but I'm actually excited to see his development, and I personally felt that the offense seemed to move better in the second half than last week against TB. Still things to work on and improve though.

[PantherFanForLife]

really, most of these threads boil down to two types of people (rarely are the WOO CLAUSEN IS AWESOME :DDDD HES WINNING THE SUPREBOWL :DDD people in them):

1) People who think Clausen was uninspiring and think he didn't do better than Moore.

2) People that think Clausen showed improvement that gives us more hope for the future than Moore.

That is just how I see it. Considering the situation, I thought Clausen showed solid improvement and posted a respectable second half for a rookie. I think he has plenty to work on, but I'm actually excited to see his development, and I personally felt that the offense seemed to move better in the second half than last week against TB. Still things to work on and improve though.

If you mean from one half to the next, then yeah I agree. His first half he had a 0.0 rating. But you can't get a negative QB rating so that's not saying much.

But overall, I thought he played better when he came in last week than he did at any point this week, including the second half.

[mav1234]

I would agree that his two drives in TB were better than his first half. However, I think his second half was a bit better than TB if only because he showed that he is capable of more than one drive in a game (too bad so much had gone wrong by that point it didn't much matter). He also showed an ability to read and throw a deep ball, which is something some of his detractors had been saying he wasn't capable of. He showed poise in the pocket and delivered some nice throws (and also did overthrow/underthrow receivers - which he did last week too >.< still learning). Overall, I thought his second half was greatly improved from his first half, and if nothing else, seemed to build on a solid foundation from the previous game.

[rayzor]

Dude let's go over this again cause I think we are losing each other somewhere here.

Above you just said Clausen played like you expected. I'm the one asking you, where did you make such conservative predictions?

That's exactly what I was saying...you were reserved yes, but you never sounded quite THAT conservative. Not like his actual numbers turned out to be.

i wasn't expecting anything at all in regards to stats. i don't think that stats in a rookies first game as a starter is any kind of indication of how he will be down the road. you can't judge him or any QB by his first game's statline.

what i was looking for was composure and confidence in himself. i was looking to see how he interacted with the other players. his reaction to mistakes made by himself or others. how he dealt with getting the crap knocked out of him. if he improved throughout the game at all.

i was looking for things he could build on. i was planning on using this game as a baseline going forward.

my whole contention has been that he has all the right tools, ability, and IQ to be a good QB. the only question has been how long will it take for that to happen, if it does at all? so far i haven't seen anything that would suggest that he isn't going to be the future of the franchise. i still feel he could be that and that he could be a really good or even great QB. i'm not going to change my mind based on any stats from today or because of what i saw from him on the field.

[PantherFanForLife]

i wasn't expecting anything at all in regards to stats. i don't think that stats in a rookies first game as a starter is any kind of indication of how he will be down the road. you can't judge him or any QB by his first game's statline.

what i was looking for was composure and confidence in himself. i was looking to see how he interacted with the other players. his reaction to mistakes made by himself or others. how he dealt with getting the crap knocked out of him. if he improved throughout the game at all.

i was looking for things he could build on. i was planning on using this game as a baseline going forward.

my whole contention has been that he has all the right tools, ability, and IQ to be a good QB. the only question has been how long will it take for that to happen, if it does at all? so far i haven't seen anything that would suggest that he isn't going to be the future of the franchise. i still feel he could be that and that he could be a really good or even great QB. i'm not going to change my mind based on any stats from today or because of what i saw from him on the field.

That's what I'm talking about right there. You and a lot of others have this same attitude.

My question to you all is what has he shown in the first place to get that title? He was the hottest high school recruit? He played good in college?

What has he done in the NFL to show that? As a pro. Has he done anything yet? Preseason? Yesterday?

He needs to earn that title. We don't just give it to him, and then the only way for him to lose it is if he f**ks up really bad. That's not how it works. He needs to do something to EARN that folks. Your thought process is backwards.

[rayzor]

who said he doesn't have to earn it? the jury is still out. nothing he has done has shown that he won't be or can't be the future of the franchise.

people see a lot of potential. they see that he has a good football IQ and that he has as much talent and ability as anyone has coming out of college. it's just a matter of him being able to realize that potential and how long it takes for him to do that.

the problem is you are reading what people are saying wrong. you see people talking about his potential and saying positive things about him and pointing out some positive things about his performance and it's translating to your little brain into people crowning him king when that really isn't the case.

i won't deny that many have considered him more advanced or just a better QB than moore. i'm one that tends to believe that. his one start today isn't going to change my mind on that.

i go back to another post in this thread where i stated that moore should have been well ahead of clausen because of this offense being for the most part built around him and his having more time with the starters. he should be playing much better than a rookie, but he hasn't been. not this year.

i have said from the beginning that clausen's ceiling is much higher than moore's. that doesn't mean he's going to reach it. it didn't mean that moore was a bad QB. it just means that clausen has more potential.

the panthers drafted him with the intention of him becoming their starter at some point down the road. you don't spend a first or second round pick on someone you hope will be just a good backup. it was only a matter of time before they decided to go ahead and throw him in there. moore's performance just made that moment come sooner than most people expected.

[Rononoa3000]

He needs to earn that title. We don't just give it to him, and then the only way for him to lose it is if he f**ks up really bad. That's not how it works. He needs to do something to EARN that folks. Your thought process is backwards.

lol. Nobody just gave him that title. Moore sucked and lost it. I t therefore goes to Clawesome by default. He earned the right to start next week as he OUTPLAYED Moore as a rookie in his first start, in rain and against a really good D. No one said he was amazing today or the best thing since Peyton Manning, but he definitely has the potential, pedigree, training, confidence and skills to be.

Moore and you should be ashamed. lol

[PantherFanForLife]

who said he doesn't have to earn it? the jury is still out. nothing he has done has shown that he won't be or can't be the future of the franchise.

people see a lot of potential. they see that he has a good football IQ and that he has as much talent and ability as anyone has coming out of college. it's just a matter of him being able to realize that potential and how long it takes for him to do that.

the problem is you are reading what people are saying wrong. you see people talking about his potential and saying positive things about him and pointing out some positive things about his performance and it's translating to your little brain into people crowning him king when that really isn't the case.

i won't deny that many have considered him more advanced or just a better QB than moore. i'm one that tends to believe that. his one start today isn't going to change my mind on that.

i go back to another post in this thread where i stated that moore should have been well ahead of clausen because of this offense being for the most part built around him and his having more time with the starters. he should be playing much better than a rookie, but he hasn't been. not this year.

i have said from the beginning that clausen's ceiling is much higher than moore's. that doesn't mean he's going to reach it. it didn't mean that moore was a bad QB. it just means that clausen has more potential.

the panthers drafted him with the intention of him becoming their starter at some point down the road. you don't spend a first or second round pick on someone you hope will be just a good backup. it was only a matter of time before they decided to go ahead and throw him in there. moore's performance just made that moment come sooner than most people expected.

Dude you are acting like I'm making this poo up. Why do you think I'm arguing against the idea of "Future of the Franchise"? What do you think I made that up? People are saying this poo, yourself included.

And what my little brain can't understand is how you can take one performance and say it's terrible, and another very similar, and factually worse performance and say...see there's proof that he's going to be great! That's potential! If this is potential than Matt showed potential last week too no?

That's MY problem. Be consistent. If Matt's performance last week was terrible. Than a similar or worse performance by Jimmy this week is NOT proof of greatness for him. And if you don't think like that, then great. I'm arguing against those that ARE saying that, and please don't ask me for any more f**king proof because it's all over the place and I won't be bothered.

Yes he has potential. His ceiling MAY be higher, but considering that thing is a matter of opinion and speculation and not something based on scientifical evidence....that's all it is, personal opinion and speculation.

And finally, potential alone is not enough. Not only is it not enough, but you actually have to show off some of that potential before any talks of Future of our franchise should ever begin in any kind of serious manner.

As a matter of fact MOST QB's coming out of college have potential. And for every top 10 QB draft prospects there's 9 busts and 1 guy every year that's actually legitimate. And over 5 years maybe 1 out of those 5 truly do become franchise QB's as roughly half the QB's in this league starting are new, temporary, projects or fill-ins. So the odds are AGAINST Jimmy not for him. My attitude is rooted in skepticism because reality is rooted in skepticism when it comes to elite QB's.

And please stop acting like Moore is some veteran QB. This was his first meaningful season as well with him as a true starter and if you go by performance than last year's final games earned him the start. Jimmy hardly did anything as an NFL pro to earn his start. He earned it based on another guy's failure and name recognition.......oh and let's not forget....potential.

So stop this nonsense.

[Rononoa3000]

This was his first meaningful season as well with him as a true starter and if you go by performance than last year's final games earned him the start. Jimmy hardly did anything as an NFL pro to earn his start. He earned it based on another guy's failure and name recognition.......oh and let's not forget....potential.

So stop this nonsense.

Whats your point? Moore lost the job so Jimmy HAS to start as the backup and you're acting like he shouldn't start. You said Clawesome didn't earn the start, well neither did Moore. He in fact played himself out of the role.

You may very well be the one person in this world that thinks Moore should start. Apparently you like living in the past instead of looking to the future. *coughclawesomecough*

[PantherFanForLife]

Whats your point? Moore lost the job so Jimmy HAS to start as the backup and you're acting like he shouldn't start. You said Clawesome didn't earn the start, well neither did Moore. He in fact played himself out of the role.

You may very well be the one person in this world that thinks Moore should start. Apparently you like living in the past instead of looking to the future. *coughclawesomecough*

And you are clearly one of many on here that can't read. Nowhere did I say that. I think Jimmy should be our starter. And yes Matt did....he earned it when he won 4 out of our last 5 games last year.

[Carolina Mike]

PFFL - Did you just Pie yourself?? REALLY??

[Carolina Mike]

And you are clearly one of many on here that can't read. Nowhere did I say that. I think Jimmy should be our starter. And yes Matt did....he earned it when he won 4 out of our last 5 games last year.

Not to attack you but, maybe your perceived "clarity of understanding" in your posts are not well received or translated by others. Matt did earn his chance unfortunately he has also earned his benching.

[Rononoa3000]

And yes Matt did....he earned it when he won 4 out of our last 5 games last year.

....and then he lost it