fox defend staff use of peppers.

[Highlandfire]

What gets me is the guy is averaging 10 sacks a season, just come off of 14.5 and he says he isn't reaching his potential? WTF does he think another team is going to do for him? He is a DE, you rush the passer, in Carolina, Buffalo, Oakland or whatever of the 32 friggin teams he is on.

Bottom line he just wants out period

[koolkatluke]

We are talking about Peppers and his lack of pressure, when the only man who needed to be defended was a WR, who was never covered. It didn't take Warner 5 seconds to locate Fitz. Fitz was open within a 3 step drop.

Peppers is now a scapegoat in the Arizona debacle. You have to be kidding me. We are all entitled to our opinions, and clearly you opine Peppers to be very overrated. Clearly we disagree, and that's fine. But, Peppers didn't throw 5 INTs and fumble once, (4 times within a given Red Zone). Nor did Peppers allow Fitz to go off for 180 yards. Nor did it matter that he didn't sack Warner as many of their plays were off on 3 step drops.

AgreeD good post!!!

[Guest]

I think our scheme sucks and I think that Peppers isn't going to be worth whatever he gets with another team. Cyber is right, he got handled plenty this season by single teams. Complete non-factor in the biggest game of the season. Not worth his contract. This actually will work out best for the team so, even though we don't really have a D-line anymore, I'm looking forward to seeing what picks we can get for him and how we re-build our D-line.

[Snake]

it's impossible to pressure a qb when his #1 wr is wide open. a cyborg reggie white would've had the same game.

Fitz was open alot let me tell you but there were times he should have atleast got a pressure and didn't.

[raleigh-panther]

It will be very interesting to see what can be gotten for Peppers.

My thought, not much...other GMs and coaches watch film too.

The cliche, big time players, make big plays, in big games.

Where have his consistent big plays been? Justin Tuck makes them, Demarcus Ware makes them....a lot of those sacks were against poor teams.

I wonder if he just knows that Fox is a lame duck and isn't going to get in done in 2009, that Delhomme's contract will run out and Delhomme hasn't produced, and at 29 almost 30 next year, he does not want to start over with a new coach.

Who knows.

[Snake]

We are talking about Peppers and his lack of pressure, when the only man who needed to be defended was a WR, who was never covered. It didn't take Warner 5 seconds to locate Fitz. Fitz was open within a 3 step drop.

Peppers is now a scapegoat in the Arizona debacle. You have to be kidding me. We are all entitled to our opinions, and clearly you opine Peppers to be very overrated. Clearly we disagree, and that's fine. But, Peppers didn't throw 5 INTs and fumble once, (4 times within a given Red Zone). Nor did Peppers allow Fitz to go off for 180 yards. Nor did it matter that he didn't sack Warner as many of their plays were off on 3 step drops.

To the thread title...of course Fox is going to defend their use of a player. Who wouldn't.

Funny you defend him with one game. You know there were 16 more games last season and Pep was not a factor in about 10 of them when Jake was.

[PantherDFense]

Oh so we keep Jake and start him..just to lose another big game.

And let the best DE in the NFL go.

If you've followed Julius Peppers athletic career, then you know how HUGE of a loss this will be to the Panther organization.

I give you the "last season" argument, he wasn't a factor, but the fact that he had a successful year this year, should prove to you what kind of an athlete Julius Peppers is.

[Cyberjag]

We are talking about Peppers and his lack of pressure, when the only man who needed to be defended was a WR, who was never covered. It didn't take Warner 5 seconds to locate Fitz. Fitz was open within a 3 step drop.

Peppers is now a scapegoat in the Arizona debacle. You have to be kidding me. We are all entitled to our opinions, and clearly you opine Peppers to be very overrated. Clearly we disagree, and that's fine. But, Peppers didn't throw 5 INTs and fumble once, (4 times within a given Red Zone). Nor did Peppers allow Fitz to go off for 180 yards. Nor did it matter that he didn't sack Warner as many of their plays were off on 3 step drops.

To the thread title...of course Fox is going to defend their use of a player. Who wouldn't.

Bullshit. Fitz caught some good balls in the first half and wasn't a factor in the second, but Peppers was on the field for every play. You want to make it sound like the only reason Peppers was ineffective was because the coaching staff wasn't using him right. Well he's a DE and they lined him up on the outside and had him try and apply pressure. How the hell else do you use a DE? Do you hear Beason complaining about his lack of production because they make him stand in the middle of the defense where a MLB belongs?

Claiming that I'm laying the debacle in the playoffs at Peppers feet is a nice way of diverting the argument to one where you have a point, but it's cheap and irrelevant. We lost to AZ because of offensive woes as much as anything, you don't win much in the NFL scoring 13 points (especially when 6 are from an end-of-game throwaway TD). But if Peppers is everything he makes himself out to me, then he's going to be a factor on at least ONE play. Instead he has a pedestrian two tackles despite being single-teamed the whole game.

Great players rise to the occasion. Peppers doesn't. That has little or nothing to do with the coaching staff, and everything to do with his heart and desire. Don't let your hatred for Fox and Trgovac elevate Peppers to sainthood--he's a good DE in a great looking package, and he certainly isn't worth what he wants.

[MyDrunkardNC]

it's impossible to pressure a qb when his #1 wr is wide open. a cyborg reggie white would've had the same game.

Come on, Warner had loads of time in the pocket. It's not like he was hurrying up his passes. He took his time. There was no pressure at all for most of the game.

[Cyberjag]

I think Peppers is making a mistake. He is not built to play OLBer...he's built to be a DE in a 4-3.

Either way, the Panthers tried lining him up in just about every possible position in the last couple of years except for MLBer, corner, and safety. There were even times when it looked like Peppers was allowed to free lance...that second Saints game comes to mind.

Exactly!

I think that even if Trgo stays around the defense will actually improve now that he's no longer trying all kinds of different things in an effort to get his star to actually play like one.

[Snake]

Bullsh*t. Fitz caught some good balls in the first half and wasn't a factor in the second, but Peppers was on the field for every play. You want to make it sound like the only reason Peppers was ineffective was because the coaching staff wasn't using him right. Well he's a DE and they lined him up on the outside and had him try and apply pressure. How the hell else do you use a DE? Do you hear Beason complaining about his lack of production because they make him stand in the middle of the defense where a MLB belongs?

Claiming that I'm laying the debacle in the playoffs at Peppers feet is a nice way of diverting the argument to one where you have a point, but it's cheap and irrelevant. We lost to AZ because of offensive woes as much as anything, you don't win much in the NFL scoring 13 points (especially when 6 are from an end-of-game throwaway TD). But if Peppers is everything he makes himself out to me, then he's going to be a factor on at least ONE play. Instead he has a pedestrian two tackles despite being single-teamed the whole game.

Great players rise to the occasion. Peppers doesn't. That has little or nothing to do with the coaching staff, and everything to do with his heart and desire. Don't let your hatred for Fox and Trgovac elevate Peppers to sainthood--he's a good DE in a great looking package, and he certainly isn't worth what he wants.

:iamwithstupid:

[TheJza]

Funny you defend him with one game. You know there were 16 more games last season and Pep was not a factor in about 10 of them when Jake was.

I'm a big Jake supporter. Simply pointing out facts. Pep was 5th in the league in sacks, had FORTY TWO quarterback hurries, with minimal help throughout the line, and a soft coverage scheme...for SIXTEEN games!!!!

I also dont believe in blasting Jake when the guy had the worst game of his career, and has won many more games than he has lost. Just using Jake as a reference point in that he was more to blame with his play, and the defensive scheme was more to blame, than Peppers failing to record a sack.

[mantal]

Exactly!

I think that even if Trgo stays around the defense will actually improve now that he's no longer trying all kinds of different things in an effort to get his star to actually play like one.

Interesting take...

[southcakalac]

What gets me is the guy is averaging 10 sacks a season, just come off of 14.5 and he says he isn't reaching his potential? WTF does he think another team is going to do for him? He is a DE, you rush the passer, in Carolina, Buffalo, Oakland or whatever of the 32 friggin teams he is on.

Bottom line he just wants out period

ah yes the grass is always greener on the other side